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The shooting in Connecticut
Topic Started: Dec 15 2012, 12:31 AM (281 Views)
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I can't even begin to imagine what those parents went through when they heard the news. It's too horrible. All those poor children. :'(
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And, allow me to add, the other part of the problem is that we no longer have asylums for the criminally insane.
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Dec 18 2012, 06:01 PM
Part of the problem in my mind are "gun-free" zones. When there are no guns, whoever has a gun can go on a rampage and everyone else is a sitting duck.
But if there are less guns. There will be less gun attacks. It honestly is that simple.

Australia had very liberal gun laws until the Port Arthur massacre and the laws were changed. Now you have to have a genuine reason in order to own a gun. I think it was 85% or so of the population that willingly gave up their guns in response to the tragedy. They now have very little gun crime. Obviously that wouldn't work in America because a lot of Americans have bizarre gun-entitlement issues.
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You're talking about law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about the laws. If someone is willing to break the law and murder someone, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're willing to break the law to own a gun.
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These "bizarre gun entitlement issues" have to do with caring enough about freedom to make certain that the government cannot impose tyranny. I have 50 to 60 guns and I will never have enough. Half of them are used for hunting; and the other half for target shooting or self-defense. Americans will never accept the confiscation of their weapons because guns made this country what it is - free. If you have no guns, you are vulnerable to attack, by firearms or otherwise. The Second Amendment is not about hunting. It is for the purpose of putting the citizenry on a level such that the government should be as afraid of the citizens as the citizens are afraid of the government. That balance prevents full blown tyranny. I ran across an image showing Jews being hearded onto cattle cars in Nazi Germany. The caption read: "First they said 'You don't need guns.' Then they said 'Get on the train.' "
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It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA was behind this and all other shootings. I agree with Degree guns keep governments from becoming tyrannous. Hence my allegations that Intelligence services could be behind all these shootings.
David Icke talks about Problem-Reaction-Solution. The government has an obstacle to its desire for total power, total control e.g. firearms in the hands of citizens. So it engineers some shootings gets hold of a patsy with a history of mental health problems and blames him. The public then scream "Washington save us from the random mass killings ban guns." The politicians then say "ok, we'll ban Americans from owning firearms". The public sighs with relief, the government gets what it wanted all along, and the icing on the cake for them is that the people came to them and begged them to do it. This is called adding insult to injury.

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Dec 18 2012, 07:41 PM
These "bizarre gun entitlement issues" have to do with caring enough about freedom to make certain that the government cannot impose tyranny. I have 50 to 60 guns and I will never have enough. Half of them are used for hunting; and the other half for target shooting or self-defense. Americans will never accept the confiscation of their weapons because guns made this country what it is - free. If you have no guns, you are vulnerable to attack, by firearms or otherwise. The Second Amendment is not about hunting. It is for the purpose of putting the citizenry on a level such that the government should be as afraid of the citizens as the citizens are afraid of the government. That balance prevents full blown tyranny. I ran across an image showing Jews being hearded onto cattle cars in Nazi Germany. The caption read: "First they said 'You don't need guns.' Then they said 'Get on the train.' "
I don't buy guns = freedom. Sorry, it's a poor, lazy excuse. Unregulated gun ownership is a massive threat to your personal safety and freedom. It certainly doesn't protect it. Countries like the UK and Australia, where there is very little gun ownership, don't find themselves under governmental tyranny because they don't own guns. There isn't tyranny because we have democratic safeguards that keep the government in check.

Hunting is perverse. And owning that many guns is just... mental.
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I mistyped "herded." Isn't there an "edit" feature?
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I may be proudly perverse, but I am not mental! How many years or lifetimes do you think it takes to judge whether disarmament leads to tyranny? It could take several lifetimes. Whether people are under tyranny in the UK or not is a close call. There is not even a right to free speech in her majesty's realm.
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There is an edit button but Mark only allows edits to be made for a few minutes after posting.

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:-/
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Degree and Blue debating this probably isn't a good idea. Age and youth seldom value each other as they should.

Degree, you need to be aware that Blue is quite young. She sees the world as a better place than you do and you won't be able to change her mind. Apart from disagreeing on almost everything you will like each other though. :)

""This will probably be the case," he replied; "and yet there is something so amiable in the prejudices of a young mind, that one is sorry to see them give way to the reception of more general opinions."

"I cannot agree with you there," said Elinor. "There are inconveniences attending such feelings as Marianne's, which all the charms of enthusiasm and ignorance of the world cannot atone for.... and a better acquaintance with the world is what I look forward to as her greatest possible advantage.""
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Who is Blue? I assumed "Draco Malfoy" is a male.
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Draco Malfoy is Blue and she is a girl.
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