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OOC: Expansion into ZA03 (Estovakia)
Topic Started: Jan 24 2014, 01:14 AM (205 Views)
Osafune
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Nation Name: United Kingdom of Tyras
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Economy Type: Capitalist
Target Plot: Map: Zaroca, plot(s): ZA03 (Estovakia)
Expansion Type: Civilized
Informational Links: Factbook, Military (Admittedly outdated, since I'm assuming that due to the civil war its currently much smaller and has been significantly modernized by Lanlania), Map /Thread/
Rebel RPer: Any volunteers?
When did your last Expansion end? June 2013 (Unsuccessful)
When was your last Military Conflict? Some random month, 317 - Autumber, 322
Why do you seek to expand? IC: Estovakia is harboring wanted leaders of the old regime toppled in the civil war, harassing Tyrian ships, and persecuting Tyrians living there. OOC: I want more territory, I made myself too weak. <_<
Plot: Tyras previously attempted to expand into Estovakia on a fabricated causus belli, but failed miserably. That fiasco of a war ended without a formal peace treaty, so we're technically still at war. Although that old regime that Estovakia fought has been overthrown, many of the figures in the new government served in high position in the old one, including the current president and the late previous defense minister, so they still don't have any trust for Tyras. Also, although Tyras's military is much smaller than it was at the start of the previous war, its now been modernized significantly and is considered stronger than ever before, and they feel threatened by this.

They are also aware that Tyrians have considered Estovakia as historically part of its sphere of influence, due to trade and business interests that used to operate there and which has led to a sizeable Tyrian minority.

For these reasons they've been threatening Tyrian ships at sea and treating Tyrians living there as spies. They've also been harboring figures from the old regime that Tyras wants to put on trial, not because they want to reinstall the old regime, but because they want to try and keep Tyras unstable. Primarily for this last reason, Tyras, with considerable Lanlanian support, will invade Estovakia and attempt to demilitarize and reform the country so that it can't be considered a threat anymore. At first, Tyras's intentions won't be expansion, but when the next president comes to office, he will begin to integrate Estovakia into a Tyrian federal monarchial state. It will occur in stages, beginning with the direct annexation of the three western most small islands and concluding with Estovakia basically becoming a Tyrian client state.




I think I'd have to post one of these OOC topics sooner or later, so I went with sooner.

By the way, I'm still looking for takers to be my enemy rper. Any takers out there? (PS. Lom, check your pms once in a while bro. :P )
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Osafune
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So I've started the topic, here. I'm hoping that Ark is still up for rping Estovakia? :P
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As a note...under normal conditions, I would cut Osafune for trying to make Estovakia the belligerent (having your ships attacked is a plausible casus belli for war, kids!). However!, given the amount of backstory and RP that has lead to this, I'll give it a pass.

Lines gives the pass, wanders off again.

Oh wait, I'm involved. Dammit.
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Why thank you very much. :P *Should read the rules closer*

Anyway, Ark changed his mind... So, I'm back to looking for an enemy rper. -_-
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And here I am to once again play Estovakia, maybe this time we can actually get through it. Though question: Estovakia last time we did this, established positive relations with Lanlania, I'm gonna operate under the assumption that such positive feelings have dried since the IA's fall and the Lanlanians have been kicked out, is this the correct action?
Edited by Raz, Jan 28 2014, 03:34 PM.
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Well, there's this that Lines said IC:

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"Ah...our facilities are on their eastern islands, I'm afraid. Not prime real estate to smuggle personnel in and out. Even then, we lost one of them--the one we'd built on the Isle of Delt, specifically, when we negotiated a deescalation with the Deltorians a few years back. Our network in Estovakia is centered mostly on our embassy, though I'll admit our base does participate."


So the main base that you two had negotiated at the time is now gone. However, Lines makes it seem as though he still has bases in Estovakia, though what sorts of bases I don't know. :\ But it seems like it would be correct to assume that the Estovakians don't care much for the Lanlanians.
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Last assumption is right. I think Lanlania gave up the base on Delt due to agreements with Deltoria (though, those agreements never actually got RPed, and I think I got similar ones straight from Kubaniza). I think the one on Delt was a missile base, while another on an island further up a larger one for troops and shite. Lanlania would've sought to keep those, flashing the treaty if need be. >.>

For the record, the treaty was oriented against Deltoria, rather than Tyras.
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I have a question how you want the Estovakians to do this raid Osa. Take the guy? Get caught by your government and get away with him? Get caught and slaughtered?
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And what of Deltorian involvement in this? Deltoria wants the isle of Delt, and osa has said okay to this. Lanlania and Deltoria arent really on bad terms anymore either. Basically I want to take the island and provide some naval support to all those involved allowing my ports to be of use and perhaps some blockading.
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@Raz

I figured you would either A. Dispatch a ship, intercept mine (which is unarmed), and take the guy. Of course that would probably make it blatantly obvious as to what Estovakia doing and would be a pretty major escalation of the affair. So, another option is B. Don't fucking risk it. In which case I would have the guy "accidentally" fall overboard, and you would hear this over my radio chatter and you could pluck him out of the sea. I guess.


@Delt

I assume we can do this as we mentioned over pm. When I and Lines begin making our moves, you can offer your support in exchange for allowing you to take the island. If you have a better idea for how you would get involved, though, I'm open to it.
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I was writing a fairly good reply to this involving commando teams inserted from helicopters to take the guy, but I felt like I may be god modding a bit to much so I stopped, I will rewrite it as it seems to fit your idea for it.
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Lol do it whatever way you want to do it. We're supposed to go to war in the end, I don't think it matters too much...
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Well once Deltoria becomes aware that hostilities are rising between you and Estovakia again we could send a delegation over to you to discuss things, discuss with a Lanlanian as well.
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