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Landaran Treaty Organization; ATTN: Fal, Jam
Topic Started: Dec 31 2013, 10:58 AM (90 Views)
Nentsia
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Concept Landaran Treaty

Concept Landaran Treaty


Did I forget anything? Im pretty tired now so I probably forgot important stuff. I think we should also include that our nations will start a joint nuclear program... for national security of course.
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B. Commonwealthian merchant vessels passing through our sea trade routes must be intercepted and searched by the Coast Guard for illegal posessions or persons on board before they can continue their voyage;
This part would lead to war. If you think the Holy Lanlanian Navy is just gonna sit by...you've got a cruise missile coming. :P

And...there's both a Holy Lanlanian Fleet and a Commonwealth fleet in Iryiiad--the HLE operating out of Southerland, while the CoN from Sabine. Together, that's four supercarriers and four carriers, plus escorts, plus' patrol groups' (read: what the CoN and HLE have already patrolling the area), /plus/ amphibious groups. I don't think it's a naval war you guys would be particularly ready for...especially considering Sabine's strategic location.

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Article IV: In order to protect our own economies, trade barriers against the Commonwealth of Nations shall be strenghtened:
A. manufactured goods from the Commonwealth shall be imported against tariffs of at least 40% of the original value in order to protect the industries of the signatories of this treaty;
B. companies that originate from the member states of this treaty organization will receive a preferred treatment when opening offices in other member-states over non-member states;
C. agrarian products from the Commonwealth of Nations shall to be imported against tariffs of at least 40% of the original value in order to protect that agriculture and farmers of the signatories of this treaty;
D. import quotas shall be established for all goods classified as luxury products produced in the Commonwealth of Nations;
This part would potentially damage both Lanlania and Medo-kubaniza's economies as, considering they're neighbors and not openly at odds, there's probably ample trade between them (read: China-US). There could arguable be setbacks between Ritterschild/Batavia and Lanlania/Sabine, though I doubt it if they express interest in this...as, we wouldn't have been trading much to begin with. :p

Can't say the much is particularly relevant to me. However, I do advise certain larger parties to not succumb to the temptations of weaker bodies. There's parts of this treaty that should be turn-offs, as they strip little bits and pieces of a nation's sovereignty. :p
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Well, multiple problems I have with this draft that I would like fixed.

First off, in Chapter I, Article III:
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B. Commonwealthian merchant vessels passing through our sea trade routes must be intercepted and searched by the Coast Guard for illegal posessions or persons on board before they can continue their voyage;


This just sounds like asking for trouble. I'd like a definition for "sea trade zones", but whether that includes international waters or not I don't think the Commonwealth will be happy. By that I mean they'll most likely fight back.

And then this:
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Article IV: In order to protect our own economies, trade barriers against the Commonwealth of Nations shall be strenghtened:
A. manufactured goods from the Commonwealth shall be imported against tariffs of at least 40% of the original value in order to protect the industries of the signatories of this treaty;
B. companies that originate from the member states of this treaty organization will receive a preferred treatment when opening offices in other member-states over non-member states;
C. agrarian products from the Commonwealth of Nations shall to be imported against tariffs of at least 40% of the original value in order to protect that agriculture and farmers of the signatories of this treaty;
D. import quotas shall be established for all goods classified as luxury products produced in the Commonwealth of Nations;


The Medo-Kubanizan Empire has no worries about its economy being threatened by the Commonwealth. I'm not sure how I feel about outright public discrimination against Commonwealth trade/goods.

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C. a common external tariff shall be established between the signatories against goods and services from outside this customs union;
D. a common immigration barrier against immigrants from outside this treaty organization shall be established to protect the public order and public morality, but also the internal labor markets of the member-states;


I'd like Medo-Kubaniza to have control over its own immigration laws and tariffs. The Medo-Kubanizan heartland is in East Uroca, Zaroca, meaning that we have a much larger range of nations, immigrants, and trade partners that we have to deal with and I'd like the freedom to adjust our laws concerning them to be left with us.

Chapter I, Article IV:
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B. the member states shall establish common import quotas for products and goods made by states that are a part of the Trilateral Alliance;


Again we'd like to have complete control over trade laws concerning nations that have nothing to do with Iryiiad. The Empire already has official trade agreements with Falsea and Myeongju.

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B. candidate members must have access to the Landaran Sea in order to qualify for full membership;


Perhaps we should change it to "must have access to the Landaran or Tethys Seas" in order to have a wider range of possible candidates in the future.


But other than that the treaty looks pretty good.
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This just sounds like asking for trouble. I'd like a definition for "sea trade zones", but whether that includes international waters or not I don't think the Commonwealth will be happy. By that I mean they'll most likely fight back.


True, I had doubts on this one too - Im okay to remove III B.

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The Medo-Kubanizan Empire has no worries about its economy being threatened by the Commonwealth. I'm not sure how I feel about outright public discrimination against Commonwealth trade/goods.


I understand your point, and like Lines said, this could potentially backfire and hurt our own economies. So I guess we could make the protectionist meassures less ...protective. But I still think it would be logical if our lil alliance maintains some protectionist meassures against the CoN to prevent our economies from becoming too dependent on the CoN, which is after all a major economic player.. particularly in our region. Out of geopolitical considerations, I think this alliance should take meassures to reduce the economic influence of the CoN over our own economies, even if it might hurt ourselves a bit.

We could also take the Bismarckian path: instead of treating the CoN as a threat, see it as a tool and an opportunity to our own security by strengthening our economic ties with the CoN - making it more difficult for them to be ...rude to us. I actually like both paths, but the first one of protectionism lies more in the IC nature of Batavia.

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I'd like Medo-Kubaniza to have control over its own immigration laws and tariffs. The Medo-Kubanizan heartland is in East Uroca, Zaroca, meaning that we have a much larger range of nations, immigrants, and trade partners that we have to deal with and I'd like the freedom to adjust our laws concerning them to be left with us.


I see no problem with removing those two points, I mostly added them to generate some unity in our laws and markets (no worries, I am not the great Leviathan monster from Brussels that eats sovereignty for lunch).

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Again we'd like to have complete control over trade laws concerning nations that have nothing to do with Iryiiad. The Empire already has official trade agreements with Falsea and Myeongju.


Oh yeah, totally forgot that XD. I added that for some anti-communist elements that our nations share, but it can be scratched.

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Perhaps we should change it to "must have access to the Landaran or Tethys Seas" in order to have a wider range of possible candidates in the future.


Thats fine too :)
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Let's finish this already why don't we? Nents why don't you just do those edits agreed in previous posts and unless Fal has any objections we can make it official.
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All is fine with me :P
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