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| Trento | Nov 18 2004, 11:47 PM Post #331 |
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haha yeh! They cood actually doing sumthing benifitial for a change!
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| at lantis | Nov 19 2004, 08:01 AM Post #332 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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*raises an eyebrow*
:huh: Whether you read it or not, I presented you with facts regarding the definite decline in unemployment over the last 20 years. To sum up, I fully acknowledge that underemployment is an increasing problem, a result of the movement from blue collar to white collar/services jobs. However, the results still show an overall decline in unemployment. And yes, this is a comparison over 20 years, so any statistician worth his/her money would have had it adjusted for different definitions to the current one over the period of time. I also pointed out that inflation and unemployment tend to be opposites over time. Having inflation at a steady low rate with declining unemployment is a definite achievement. While I suppose I am not in any position to say whether I'm being brainwashed or not, I can only say that I've been looking at the stats. Which is more than what was presented to me. |
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| Abral Narth | Nov 19 2004, 11:42 AM Post #333 |
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Forum Freedom Fighter
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She only flashed stats at me too. except.... Under employment? As in not enough active people in the labour market? Thats because people get old and then dont die. In the UK we are almost running short on people. So we let loads of immigrants in to do the job... then stupid morons say we dont need them. Well thats fine, but if we reduce (legal) immigration, im leaving the country as im not singlehandedly covering someone's pension who brought on the collapse of welfare by chucking better qualified talent out. In the Uk most immigrants are of US or Australian origin, yet people think that all immigrants are asylum seekers. Who mooch. Yet Immigranst pay more taxes than they recieve in benifits etc. Sorry, but this is random...
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| at lantis | Nov 19 2004, 01:23 PM Post #334 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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Underemployment refers to the fact that although people are legally and statistically classified as 'employed' they are not working as many hours as they'd like to. For instance, they may only be able to get a part time job instead of the permanent job that they do want. Its an increasing occurance. Immigrants are not at all bad... I know a good many people who are more sucessful here than they ever would have been back in their home country, who are gainfully employed, paying their taxes, raising families and the like. Contrary to some opinon, they don't "steal" all the jobs from the locals. Often, they're creating jobs by setting up businesses of their own. I'll have to get some references for this - i did a bit of a study on it last semester, but I can't remember where I got them from... |
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| Trento | Nov 19 2004, 05:57 PM Post #335 |
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Trento
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i hav no idea wot ppl r talking about now,
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:S i got lost a few posts ago, all i no is it has sumthin to do with unemployment and the government, so ill put my two bits in and then try and change the convo. Our government sux, unemployment is getting bad - and it only looks gd because the definition of employment, i e 2hrs work in a week is enough to be considered employed, and students r all considered employed! Now thats done and sed... Ne 1 in hear got exams atm? Coz i do and it sux! Had my English one today and the two things i studied the most had the hardest questions! So i had to use my bakups which id only studied for half an our between the two of them! Im screwed! Ahhh well, i only need 41% to pass this yr's english... Westie, wot dyu teach? It woodnt happen to be History of foundations of maths wud it...? Or is it primary skool like i thought?
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| at lantis | Nov 19 2004, 07:21 PM Post #336 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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Just about everyone in secondary or tertiary education has exams right about now ... I always find that November is the worst time of year to have a birthday because you just spend most of the time studying. Last year I had to postpone celebrations for a month. I've got one more left, International Economics, 6-9pm next Friday night. How crap is that?! :( |
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| Trento | Nov 19 2004, 07:48 PM Post #337 |
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Trento
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haha yer - it was my bday on the 17th and i hav to hav my party in a couple of weeks coz of these stupid exams! Go the Scorpio!!!! I got 3 left, Biology, Foundies and History haha, that is a crappy time for an exam! gd luk in it!
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| princess purple | Nov 19 2004, 08:59 PM Post #338 |
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your right atlantis, previoulsly the trend was mostly that in times of high inflationunemployment was low (high growth in prices, primarily fuelled by high demand, equated to businesses wanting to produce more, hence more labour), and the opposite was also true (low inflation, low price growth, low demand, no need for more bodies) you say that low inflation coupled with low employment is quite an achievement - that is partly true, but in a lot of ways it reflects the current global economy where employment figures are distorted by the move towards casual employment. it is also distorded by a considerable shrinking in both the size of the labour force (partly due to the population ageing so rapidly and the introduction of compulsory super in the early 80's meaning that people can retire earlier) andthe composition of it (manyteenagers who previously would not have entered the labour force 20 years ago until they were looking for full time work are now employed part time/casually while still at school) there are plenty of other factors as well ... lower population growt, etc etc, all of which impact on the unemployment rate. thus, don't just pat thecurrent govermewnt on thew back ... wewould likwly be in exactky thesame position whoever had been in power for the last 20 years |
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| Trento | Nov 19 2004, 09:50 PM Post #339 |
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Trento
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argh, we just got off that utterly confusing convo!!! |
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| Morporkestan | Nov 19 2004, 10:00 PM Post #340 |
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Master of the Domain
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Well it is random thougts...who could expect less? |
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| Abral Narth | Nov 20 2004, 07:42 AM Post #341 |
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Or maybe its because people dont expect high inflation any more. So it doesnt happen? They dont put in for big pay rises and so costs dont rise... So prices sta low... Im pretty sure that would explain things pretty well. Under employment may well be a problem for Australia, but the Uk is short on people these days not jobs. SO I cant comment on the validity of that. |
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| at lantis | Nov 20 2004, 09:58 AM Post #342 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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I'm not patting the govt on the back at all. I'm just recognising what I think is a good thing - which others seem to blatantly ignore. I'm not jumping up and down about it, i'm just pointing out that its there (whether people like it or not). see now, I like your answer better reub, cos you actually gave me a proper argument instead of just claiming that I'm brainwashed! |
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| Schnapps Drinkers | Nov 20 2004, 02:46 PM Post #343 |
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Yes, that's me in a toga.
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It's easier just to claim you're brainwashed At Lantis
;) . Just Kidding. There are plenty of facts and factors to explain the current state and play of Australian employment relations and its structural changes over the past 20 years in particular, but given my current fragile state I really can't be arsed to go into them at this point of time, or link it with an epistomological frame of reference. On another note, I've finished my (hopefully) last and final uni exam ever- I don't think the courses I do next year have exams- just very beefy essays. I had my exam over at Randwick Racecourse in a structually unsound building called the Tea House. Sweated it out in there for three ours without ventilation, wondering how much longer the pain would continue. It's over for at least 2 months. |
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| Westaway | Nov 20 2004, 03:41 PM Post #344 |
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They just keep bouncing :)
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I said what I did At Lantis because it wouldn'ty matter what I said you'd pull someother stat out and read it in such a way as to support your comments, just like I can do the same in an opposing comment. So, I'll cease to argue and just smirk a knowing smirk and wonder if in 30 years time when you're my age if you'll still be so idealist and capitalistic actually you probably will becaue until someone suffers they never haver a comparision. I teach primary and secondary trento...but I'm an english/SOSE major and the SOSE is history |
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| Jervis Bay | Nov 20 2004, 05:49 PM Post #345 |
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Regional Affairs Minister, Literary Junkie and Resident DJ
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Ahhhh... That reminds me. I have to start writing my novel up into the laptop in the hope of publishing it and appeasing the anger of all my previous English teachers. They are still aggravated at the fact that I did Physics instead of English Literature. Speaking of which, what is the best way to get through a novel that you don't like? I have a habit of finishing every novel I start reading, and unfortunately the one in my signature is not living up to expectations. The book is misogynistic, formulaic (every story seems to have something about some king, who deflowers a virgin, who is a queen or witch, and there is usually a jinnee in it somewhere) and dull. And with the exception of a few slightly clever euphemisms for sex, the language is neither rich nor engaging. I have a hundred pages to slog through until I get to start Ambrose Bierce's "Devils Dictionary": Oh, how I want to start reading it! In any case I am off to try and get a hair cut. A place in town has just opened, and has a special of €5($8) haircuts, as opposed to the usual €20($32). Only problem is, the haircuts are very "modern". Neo-mullets and faux-hawks are the order of the day there. If it wasn't for the fact that my surfie hair is turning into a shag mullet, I would skip it altogether. And I am way too scared to take up the offers of my female friends here. |
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