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| Trento | Nov 16 2004, 10:05 AM Post #316 |
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well personaly i prefer Australia day because im not religious and for what it stands for, the whole Australia Day truth about the land being takem away from the Aboriginies is pretty shocking, however i love Australia Day for what it stands for. Another reason is the day before Australia Day is my mates birthday so a few of us just go down South and have an awsum time, although Australia Day can begin with a pretty bad hangover! My Bday tommorow
And for the record, Eminem is a talented poet with some good virtues, but a complete dickhead.
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| Abral Narth | Nov 16 2004, 10:29 AM Post #317 |
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AT Lantis:...and pay for most of the voters pensions. Trento: I agree about eminem, but he had a point. Once. Hes just lame, and there are so many better artists than hom expressing themselves so much better. |
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| Westaway | Nov 16 2004, 11:49 AM Post #318 |
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They just keep bouncing :)
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You all need to remember the history of immigration into Australia. Post WW11 saw a huge increase in immigration into Australia, the so called Lucky Country. They we fodder for the factories and other low income, menial work that the resident aussies thought was beneath them. It required no prior skill training so was the perfect vehicle for NESB immigrants. We also had a huge White Australia Policy and we were the land of plenty. Business was booming and we were a Commonwealth country and England was not part of the European Economic Community. Then the bubble burst. No more Commonwealth garenteed exports, Great Britian deserts us for the local area , Wars in Asia see us as a place for all those displaced refugees and suddenly we have..... 1.huge immigration increases and 2.huge reduction of exports. Add to this the computer age and we have a formula for restricting immigration. Our unemployment levels are way beyond the scale now, added immigration would fuel that more so. I don't believe the answer is get more immigrants, but make it more favourable for ppl to have families. Why would anyone wish to create the great aussie dream if they are unemployed or feel that their children will never have a chance of good employment. How can they afford the great aussie dream anyway ? House prices hae soared. It's now almost beyond the average person to own their own home anyway. Work opportunities over seas offer a chance at good empoyment and money in the pocket. When Australia stops sending it production offshore, increases job opportunities [ privitization of our ammenities doesn't help!] and creatives an enviroment where it's a positie to have children and buy your own home, then maybe there will be an increase in population ! *dismounts soap box* |
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| at lantis | Nov 16 2004, 01:50 PM Post #319 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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On the contrary, unemployment happens to be at 20 year lows. Our population is getting older, and more into the retirement age. There aren't enough young people to replace the older, retiring generation. The lowering fertility rates doesn't necessarily have to do with affording your own house. Its the mentality of "i want to pursue a career, i want to travel and see the world, and thats a lot harder with kids" that is resulting in smaller families. Australia got way over the problem of the UK being part of the European Common Market a long time ago. We've diversified into different export markets, and we're no longer living on the sheep's back. Japan, United States and China are our largest markets now, and we're doing pretty well. Affordability in Europe is still pretty ridiculous. You might try the UK for better money, but the living expenses match the incomes. Unfortunately, our educated people are still migrating over to Europe. How else are we going to replace the (educated and uneducated) loss to our population without migration? People sure as hell aren't any more interested in having children, no matter what kind of money the Government throws at them. (see, they know its a problem too) |
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| Choc | Nov 16 2004, 02:53 PM Post #320 |
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Biiiiaaaaatch!
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I'm a first generation after the '5 pound poms'. My grandparents picked up lock stock and barrel from the English Midlands, where grandad was a farmer, and nana worked in the stocking factory, brought 3 out 0f 4 kids over here, and then went to work on a cattle property in the Kimberlys of West Australia. I'm proud of that heritage. |
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| Westaway | Nov 16 2004, 03:25 PM Post #321 |
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They just keep bouncing :)
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The only reason umemployment looks like it's at an all time 20 year low is because the figures are contrived. You only hae to have 2 hours a week work and you are no longer considered unemployed. This doesn't mean you still don't get unemployment benefits, just you skew the figures. Bloody pathetic if you ask me. A liberal ploy to make themseles look good |
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| Trento | Nov 16 2004, 07:17 PM Post #322 |
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here here Westie
:up: !
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| Westaway | Nov 16 2004, 08:00 PM Post #323 |
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They just keep bouncing :)
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thanks trento :hearts: |
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| Schnapps Drinkers | Nov 16 2004, 10:34 PM Post #324 |
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Yes, that's me in a toga.
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I thought one was 'employed' if they work at least 1 hour a week, paid or unpaid. My neighbour could ask me to mow his lawn and cut his hedges for an hour and still be considered employed. Or teenage kids could be forced without 'pay' to do the dishes for the entire week and they could be considered 'employed'. I've forgotten what the actual definition of employed is as of 2004- I know they've tinkered with it several times though. There's also the changing nature of 'unemployment' which relies less on absolute terms (job or no job) which makes the official rate seem so much lower than it should be. Underemployment, irregular casual work, etc. There's also the expectation that real employment should provide people with particular items or demands that are expected as being the norm in 'Western society'- transport, housing, water and utilities, ability to pursue leisure and recreational activities, etc. etc. This is, of course, very subjective, and complaints levelled at Less Developed Countries about stealing jobs from Industrialised Nations by making their workforces accept poor living standards are often countered by arguments of 'Western Imperialism' in attempting to impose universal standards upon LDCs whose main source of comparative advantage is cheap labour, and could never compete if forced to adopt such standards. I think some conservative leaders in Industrialised Nations are taking on the LDC arguments and retooling it through decentralised Industrial Relations policies in terms of creating meaningful and adequate jobs (which nowadays is increasingly casualised and less permanent). |
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| Trento | Nov 16 2004, 10:53 PM Post #325 |
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haha - no probs Westie I think it mite be 2hrs, but 1 or 2hrs, wots the dif? It's just pathetic propaganda to make the governments policies look good! I for one cannot trust the government, and it was interesting that in a poll it was found that a great majoritey aff Australians didnt trust Johnny Howard, but they will vote for him. Its pointless to vote for someone u cant trust! MY BDAY 2MORROW
YAY!!!!!!
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| at lantis | Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM Post #326 |
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Swing those sexy hips!
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Things have changed considerably since lets say, 20 years ago. 'Underemployment' is a phenomenon which is seemingly a result of changing employer needs and societal changes, such as a greater movement towards services and the 'white collar' jobs.
(just for reference, this came from the ABS website) When comparing with 20 or so years ago, the employment rate from 1980 has also risen from 65% of the labour force to 69%, (although the percentage of permanent full time employed has slipped a few percentage points, like we mentioned, underemployment). So, employment has still risen, even given population increases (which were more significant back in the 80s than now). Traditionally, inflation and unemployment rates are opposites. When there is high inflation, unemployment is down (a booming economy) and when there is low inflation, unemployment is up. Although its been proven that both can be high at one point in time (e.g. 1970s) its particularly hard to have them low at the same time. With inflation running between 2 - 3% for some time now, i tend to think that the current (although slow) declining rates of unemployment are an effort not to be ignored. |
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| Abral Narth | Nov 17 2004, 10:45 PM Post #327 |
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Yeah inflation is all about what people expect to happen though, in periods of high demand people generally expect more and in low they expect less.... Though the 70s showed people can expect more in low demand and the nineties in the Uk have show the opposite. |
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| Westaway | Nov 18 2004, 03:39 PM Post #328 |
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They just keep bouncing :)
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At lantis: it's a shame to see someone so young so brainwashed already |
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| Trento | Nov 18 2004, 05:43 PM Post #329 |
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the all brainwashing govt takes another victim
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| Morporkestan | Nov 18 2004, 07:35 PM Post #330 |
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Master of the Domain
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Damned Government. |
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