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| Greatest admiral of all time | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 1 2004, 03:54 PM (2,628 Views) | |
| kaza | Aug 1 2004, 03:54 PM Post #1 |
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Who could be greatest admiral of all time? here's my list admiral Lee Sun Shin, Nelson, Togo |
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| bop_040 | Aug 1 2004, 05:49 PM Post #2 |
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Think i would have to put patton in there, only ever 5star US general and won numerous battles including the great battle of layete gulf. Would say tho that Nelson was the greatest - was the man who singly protected an empire! |
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| EFA | Aug 1 2004, 11:01 PM Post #3 |
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Nelson founded the way for modern warfare. If it wasn't for him, modern naval warfare wouldnt be as it was or as it is. Every other Admiral after him, based their tactics on Nelson. He is a British Hero. |
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| PLA1021 | Aug 2 2004, 12:52 AM Post #4 |
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I personally like admiral Isoyoko Yamamoto. He was against war first, but when his country forced him into war, he did his very best to serve his country. Although he screwed up Midway but that is due to the fact of intelligent and communication failure. He had a great and complicated plan and if would succed if the US did not break the fleet's code and if his fleet had better communication. Pearl Harbour was a perfect plan, he also commanded well during the first year of war. |
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| PLA1021 | Aug 2 2004, 12:53 AM Post #5 |
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btw who's lee sun shin? |
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| kaza | Aug 2 2004, 02:31 AM Post #6 |
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Here's some info about admiral Lee Sun Shin. Japan equipped with advanced arms like rifles from portuguese and dutch, then Toyotomi Hideyoshi united all Japan using those arms, later invaded Chosun (Korea) with united japanese force (around 200,000, 1,500 ships) Early in the war, Chosun got crushed, due to cannons and rifles, castles and cavalry were no longer effective. Japanese invador's tactic was to capture the chosun capital ASAP(it took japanese 20 days to do so), then their navy would go around korea peninsula to resupply them. There were 2 naval fleet in Chosun,1 in southern east province, and 1 in southern west province. naval fleet in southern east got wiped out by Japanese fleet in the begining of the war(without much resistence), and admiral Lee Sun Shin was in charge of southern west naval fleet. (128 ships early in the war, 268 ships max) battle at Okpo (1592. 5.7 ~ 8) 30 vs 53 Destroyed 44 ships, captured 5 prisoners while losing 0 ships battle at Sachun (1592 . 5 . 29) destroyed all 13 ships, captured 1 prisoner while suffering no ship loss Battle at Tangpo (1592. 6. 2) destroyed all 21 ships wihle suffering 0 ship loss Battle at Tanghangpo (1592 . 6 .5) destroyed all 26 sihps while losing 0 ships Battle at Hansan (1592 . 7. 8. ~ 10) 100 vs 110 destroyed all 110 sihps while losing 0 ships Battle at Busanpo (1592 . 9 .1 ) 166 vs 470 destroyed 128 ships, 0 ship loss Peace treaty between Chosun, Ming and Japan Battle at Chilchunryang (1597 . 7 .16) 268 vs 600ish all except 12 ships destroyed, first loss at sea. (admiral Lee were sentenced to death by intrigue and his rival Won Kyon led fleet into severe loss) Battle at Myongryang (1597. 9) 12 vs 133 destroyed 31 ships and repelled them. Admiral Lee came back frome exile and led 12 remaining ships, King advised him to disband his navy and join army but he refused. Battle at Noryang (1597. 11.18) 500(Chosun, Ming allied force) vs 500 destroyed 200 ships, but admiral Lee was K.I.A. In overral, there were 23 battles at sea for admiral Lee, he not only won all battles, he didnt lose any ships while he was outnumbered 1:7 ratio. His fleet destroyed 359 ships, captured 207 ships, killed 33,000ish Japanese navy while suffering 0 ship loss, 243 casualty (including himself) |
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| PLA1021 | Aug 3 2004, 12:26 AM Post #7 |
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Oh that one ok, I thoguht Korea got reinforcements from China? Korea was still Chinese territroy in the 16th century wasnt it? |
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| kaza | Aug 3 2004, 09:50 AM Post #8 |
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Yes at that time, there was manchurians on north (nurhachi) and Ming (China) on west. first Manchurians offered to help chosun but Chosun king refused then asked Ming's help since Toyotomi claimed that war was to conquore china, so Chosun should open up ways for them. Chosun King had to reject offer from Manchurian King because they could steal Chosun easily since they were kin to each other while chinese were totally foreigner to them. Both Jin and Chosun were descendants of Koguryo, term Korea was from Koryo, and Koryo is from Koguryo. well Korea sent tribute to Ming but you cant say korea was chinese territory. Koryo (Korea) fought against Mongols for 60 some years, then they both made agreement that Koryo king would be Mongolian emperor's official and send tribute to Yuan (Mongol) but Koryo king would still govern Koryo and keep independence (Koryo king married Mongolian emepror's daughter so he became son in law). This became traditional even after Yuan collapsed. Koryo sent tribute to Ming cuz it was also beneficial to them (It act as import/export between Koryo and Ming, when Koryo king sent tribute to Ming emperor, Ming emperor gave gift for Koryo king in return) |
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| KJlost | Aug 3 2004, 08:52 PM Post #9 |
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"Korea was still Chinese territroy in the 16th century wasnt it?" Oh you would all like to think that, wouldn't you? Sigh the 'reinforcement' from Ming is being called a double-edged sword. The Chinese troops did as much damage as good, including massive killing of Chosun civilians in the major city of Pyung Yang. By the time Ming intevened, Japanese ground army was cut off, both from Admiral Lee's efforts and pockets of resistance Japan left behind in their haste to advance. While I'll admit the reinforcement allowed room for a counterattack of sorts to repulse them, can't really credit them for saving the kingdom. |
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| PLA1021 | Aug 7 2004, 03:18 AM Post #10 |
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No, im not really crediting them. Ming was corrupted at that time and coudlnt even manage their own business. |
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| RBTiger | Aug 8 2004, 04:09 PM Post #11 |
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What about Admiral Myers, lol just a joke |
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| kaza | Aug 12 2004, 09:47 AM Post #12 |
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also David Robinson excluded! cuz he was just too soft. |
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| RBTiger | Aug 14 2004, 12:36 PM Post #13 |
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Who david, the basketballer? Thought he had retired. |
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