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| perestroika | Jun 11 2004, 09:51 PM Post #1 |
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america has the largest number of startegic nuclear warheads, while russia has the largest number of tactacal nukes,i have heard pple compare the ruskie military with that of america, thats absurd.russia dosent have the power to project power far away from home as much as america can,with only one aircraft carrier thats imposible for ivan.the ruskies are only strong on paper, they are only good at figjhting not far from home. if a nuclear ar had ensued btw russia and america the ruskiees would clearly have lost. america is the only world power not neibhored by another great power, the russians in contrast share borders with a lot of enemies.,counting the arsenals of britain and france the russians stand no chance against an allied nuclear attack, even the chinese wont be able to make up with their dong fengs nuclear warheads |
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| PLA1021 | Jun 12 2004, 12:57 AM Post #2 |
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you think they are able to build a space sation and not able to deliver a nuclear warhead for somewhat 8,000 miles? think again. |
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| Mogz | Jun 12 2004, 03:34 AM Post #3 |
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How does one "win" a nuclear war? Produce a bigger mushroom cloud? |
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| PLA1021 | Jun 12 2004, 10:30 PM Post #4 |
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damn nuclear war, it'll never happen. |
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| RBTiger | Jun 13 2004, 04:21 PM Post #5 |
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Only the US, and to a lesser extent, UK and France, have good force-projection capablities. No other nation can successfully conquer another and retain it. (Except if its Burma, Bhutan or Somalia). |
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| Edward Nigma | Aug 11 2004, 07:50 AM Post #6 |
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No Nuclear war will break out unless there is someone to first strike. If they all agree not to first strike then everything will be good. Only terrorists would be able to strike with nukes but so far security measures have passed the test. |
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| RBTiger | Aug 11 2004, 08:19 PM Post #7 |
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I think only Pakistan hasn't commited itself to no first-use, all othersa have. |
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| perestroika | Aug 31 2004, 02:06 AM Post #8 |
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only pakistan?....hmmmmm |
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| PacEMakeR | Aug 31 2004, 11:11 AM Post #9 |
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Actually, India has committed itself to no first-use. Pakistan has not. Both China, Russia, Israel and the US believe in the philosophy of a first strike to prevent the enemy's first strike. |
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| Infidellic | Aug 31 2004, 02:50 PM Post #10 |
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Canada being part of the commonwealth I suppose could be argued to be part of a superpower, if you imagine all the commonwealth countries as one country then I would say that America does. Still Canada and the commonwealth are allies, despite some differences. |
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| RBTiger | Sep 1 2004, 08:22 PM Post #11 |
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Peri, why you as a guest? |
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| EFA | Sep 5 2004, 04:49 AM Post #12 |
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He's having an Identity crisis. |
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| RBTiger | Sep 5 2004, 01:24 PM Post #13 |
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Now,now, why be rude to our American friend? Remember, US and UK are best allies. |
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| Shaan14 | Nov 29 2004, 11:23 PM Post #14 |
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LOL personally we (india) shouldnt have subscribed if i may call it that to the no fisrt use because then pakistan can just nuke us first and lots of people die including some of my family as before we moved to the U.K we live well inside pakistan nuclear range some family still there. we shouldnt sign up if the pakistanis havent |
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| John US Seals | Dec 10 2004, 12:39 AM Post #15 |
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I must disagree- Israel has a higher number of nukes than the UK has, and Israel launched its own satellites, meaning that they have the capability to send those nukes away from Israel. If Israel wouldnt have a power projection now, it would be already destroyed by its enemies (50% of the world). They already won 6 wars against 5 larger and better equipped militaries in few fronts at the same time, countries who wished only death for Israel. If thats not a power projection then I am a Marines soldier! |
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| Shaan14 | Dec 11 2004, 09:33 PM Post #16 |
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the israelis can fire them but before they do the amricans do have alot of influence as to how and where they fir them. |
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| bop_04 | Dec 14 2004, 02:19 AM Post #17 |
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Fact - no one knows how many nuks Israel has people can only guess and estimates vary from between 100 and 200 nucleur warheads, the UK has 200 so if these estimates are correct then they both have similar nucleur arsenals. "If Israel wouldnt have a power projection now, it would be already destroyed by its enemies (50% of the world)." No offense but a nucleur detterrant does not represent any form of of "power projection". Nucleur warheads are a form of deterrant. Power project is the ability of a military to fight an enemy thousands of miles away. Eg - the US and UK used their "power projection" capabilities in the Iraq war. I thought that being an ex seal you would have understood that term as it is a basic term and simplistic in its meaning? |
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| John US Seals | Dec 14 2004, 03:34 AM Post #18 |
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Actually, in the middle eastern area, any kind of strong force (such as air force or a nuclear arsenal) is considered as a power projection. The area is full of small cold-wars and full of hot constent small wars, and not only betwin Israel and the Arabs. Also lets dont forget how many times Israel projected its power while fighting alone against 3-5 countries in few fronts that wanted to destroy her and Israel wiped the floor with them each time: 1948 War of Independence, 1956 Sinai War, 1964-1966 The War on Water, 1967 the Six Day War (their most impressive power projection), 1969-1970 War of Attrition, 1973 Yom Kippur War (they took over the Arab armies despite the surprise attack- this was a major power projection also), 1981 the destruction of the Iraqi nuclear reactor, 1982 The Lebanon War I, 1982-1985 the Lebanon War II. How exacly all of their amazing victories are any different than our great victory in Iraq? If what we done there was a power projection then same did the Israelis, plenty of times. P.S When I think about it, when was the last time that France projected its power? During the days of Napoleon or perhaps at Ivory Coast? lol The only countries that have a power projection today and that other countries are scared of pissing them are the USA, UK and Israel. Because those, unlike some French countries that we know, are not scared of threats or terrorists and unlike some French countries that we know, those countries fight and dont run away, and those countries dont accept deals from those who wish to destroy them. Maybe India will join soon to this club due to their resent projection when their pilots took over the American pilots in air combats and their special forces were a hard game to the US special forces. We'll have to see and wait. Same goes for China, they havent yet proven anything. As for Russia- they are getting worser and worser. But France? I worked with their Naval Rifle Commandos. They were bad as their look. Singapore's Naval Diving Unit was better than the French Naval Rifle Commandos! France has no power projection, sorry. |
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| Shaan14 | Dec 15 2004, 11:47 PM Post #19 |
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i have two questions and i would be grateful if you answered them 1) what is the range of israeli nuclear missiles? 2) does israel still officially deny that it has no nuclear weapons? |
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| John US Seals | Dec 17 2004, 07:17 PM Post #20 |
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1) Israel has developed its own surface to surface missiles that can also be used with nuclear warheards: Jericho 1 is thought to have entered service in 1973: Category Surface-to-Surface Length 13.4 m Body diameter 0.8 m Launch weight 6,700 kg Payload Single warhead; 450 kg Warhead Conventional HE, nuclear 20 kT or chemical Guidance Type Inertial Propulsion 2-stage solid propellant Range 500 km Accuracy 1,000 km CEP Test firings for the Jericho 2 missile are reported to have taken place from 1986 onwards. Jericho 2 is an intermediate-range ballistic missile, possibly similar to the Israeli made Shavit space launch vehicle: Category Surface-to-Surface Manufacturer Israel Aircraft Industries Length 14.0 m Body diameter 1.56 m Launch weight 26,000 kg Payload Single warhead; 1,000 kg Warhead Conventional HE or nuclear 1MT Guidance Type Inertial Propulsion 2-stage solid propellant Range 1,500 to 3,500 km Unconfirmed reports suggest that a Jericho 3 missile, with a range of 4,800 km, is now in development, possibly based upon the Next Space Launch Vehicle (SLV). The Next SLV is a four-stage vehicle, with the first three stages solid propellant and the fourth stage liquid. Note: On September 19, 1988, Israel launched its first satellite, Ofeq-1 (a spy satellite), using an Israeli-built Shavit three-stage launch vehicle. By independently building and launching its own satellite, Israel joined an exclusive club, which includes the United States, Russia, United Kingdom, Japan, India, France and China. Amoung those, Israel is the only country that launches its satellites from EAST to WEST, AGAINST the rotation of the Earth, so in case of a failure during the launch, the satellite wont reach the hands of Israel's hostile neighbors. Therefore, Israel may have a MUCH longer range of missiles than the range it is thought to have. 2) Israel has officialy never DENIED or CONFIRMED it has or has not nuclear weaopns. However, Israel's involvement with nuclear technology literally extends back to the founding of the country in 1948. A host of talented scientists emigrated to Palestine during the thirties and forties, particularly one Ernst David Bergmann - later the director of the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission and the founder of Israel's efforts to develop nuclear weapons. The Weizmann Institute of Science actively supported nuclear research by 1949, with Bergmann heading its chemistry division. Also in 1949, Francis Perrin - French nuclear physicist, atomic energy commissioner, and personal friend of Bergmann's - visited the Weizmann Institute, after which Israeli scientists were invited to the newly established French nuclear research facility at Saclay. A joint research effort was subsequently set up between the two nations. At this time France's nuclear research capability was quite limited. France had been a leading research center in nuclear physics before the war, but had fallen far behind developments in the US, the USSR, Britain, and even Canada. Israel and France were thus at a similar levels of expertise at the time, and it was possible for Israeli scientists to make valuable contributions. Consequently the development of nuclear science and technology in France and Israel remained closely linked in the early fifties, for example Israeli scientists were involved in the construction of the G-1 plutonium production reactor and UP1 reprocessing plant at Marcoule. ------------------------------------------- [size=7]I took the information from: The best site about the history of the Israel Defence Forces and the Israeli weaopns: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/israeli_weapons.html Also the site of the Israel Defence Forces is great: http://www.idf.il (choose ENGLISH when you enter)[/size] |
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| bop_04 | Dec 19 2004, 09:26 PM Post #21 |
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Power projection is the ability to attack a foreign territory thousands of miles away. Israel cannot successfully launch a full scale invasion involving say 30000 men to attack a random hostile country. How on earth is defending your country using "power projection". No that is simply as it is defending your country. Quite simply if you were in the navy seals? then you would know the Israel navy is a small navy that basically consists of a few dolphin subs that were given to them by germany and have been modified. (they have just signed a deal to purchase 2 more). This means that Israel does not have the tools to project power in terms of supply for a full scale assult on a foreign territory thousands of miles away. Yes they could launch SF ops and air strikes to Iran but that is not power projection in the sense that it is defined by the military. And it shows just how poor your naval knowledg is when you say that France has no power projection! CDG? air group of 40 more powerful than any UK warship is an example of their projection they also have assult ships LPds Mistral , landing ships tankers to supply fleet support ships ect all the tools to equip a force in excess of 25000 men to sustain a war thousands of miles away. In a few yeas they will be able to double this force aswell as it said under thier defense review. Face it you dont know much about european militaries and just make silly comments because you are blinded by nationalism. I may not like the french like you but i dont write stupid things down that are a load of rubbish. |
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| John US Seals | Dec 19 2004, 11:46 PM Post #22 |
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Power projection is a term used in military and political science (specifically international relations) circles, referring to the ability of a state to implement policy by means of force, or the threat thereof. Usually, power projection refers to the ability to do far away from the territory of the state. ---------------------------------- 1. Do you know how to read? Good, then you can see that USUALLY power projection refers to the ability to go far away in a military strike. Usually, not ALWAYS. 2. Do you see a mention of distance or numbers? I dont. 3. We saw very well the French "power projection" in action. Their power projection is based on running away of battles and on not facing against their enemies with strong and massive deep attacks in the enemy territory. Also I think you simply dont know that the IDF's strategy is based on deep attacks in enemy territory AS a defensive action. They have already done it plenty of times. Few facts about the IDF: (www.idf.il) Main Doctrine To defend the existence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the state of Israel. To protect the inhabitants of Israel and to combat all forms of terrorism which threaten the daily life. Basic Points: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war. -Defensive on the strategic level, no territorial ambitions. -Desire to avoid war by political means and a credible deterrent posture. -Preventing escalation. -Determine the outcome of war quickly and decisively. -Combating terrorism. -Very low casualty ratio. The Operational Level : Defensive Strategy - Offensive Tactics Prepare for Defense : -A small standing army with an early warning capability, regular air force and navy. -An efficient reserve mobilization and transportation system. Move to Counter-Attack: -Multi-arm coordination. [size=7]-Transferring the battle to enemy's territory quickly.[/size] -Quick attainment of war objectives. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Deep attacks in enemy territory are not counted by number of troops or the number of miles, but counted as the actions themselvs and the ability to do them. For example: USA, Israel and the UK can preform deep attacks in enemy territory, while their enemies cant. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Check definitions before you bark. P.S I think that your lack of knowladge (or perhaps a simple anti-Americanism?) is the problem here and not my nationalism. |
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| bop_04 | Dec 20 2004, 12:36 AM Post #23 |
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"Power projection is a term used in military and political science (specifically international relations) circles, referring to the ability of a state to implement policy by means of force, or the threat thereof. Usually, power projection refers to the ability to do far away from the territory of the state." I will narrow that meaning down "implement policy by means of force" France can sustain a force of over 25000 men to apply conventional warfare on any country on earth period, they also posess all the special forces, marines ect Special ops units of the other major powers and that is a fact. Today the french armed forces are fully professional well equipped and well trained. "1. Do you know how to read? Good, then you can see that USUALLY power projection refers to the ability to go far away in a military strike. Usually, not ALWAYS. 2. Do you see a mention of distance or numbers? I dont." As you have siad it usually means the ability to far away and Israel cannot do that so you have proved me rite. There is no measurement of numbers - but how the fu*k are you gonna implement policy by conventional force on another state using robots? Numbers are important in conventional warfare however it dependson the quality on these troops and the standard french troop is of a high enough standard. "3. We saw very well the French "power projection" in action. Their power projection is based on running away of battles and on not facing against their enemies with strong and massive deep attacks in the enemy territory" When did we see the french power projection in action today running away? Face it you havent got a clue, you talk like a kid who has wet dreams about serving in the armed forces - you are clueless. French troops are peacekeeping in bosnia kosovo afgahnistan ivory coast and chad. They have fought in kosovo CDG and french aircraft wer the only non US craft the US would use in the afgahnistan campaign and there troops did not run away. They also did not run away when confronted in Ivory coast! Their SF took out the ivorycoast airforce in one mission. So grow it is your sheer lack of knowledge and hatred of the french for not backing your war in Iraq that has you in a twist. Ans just because i say that you dont have a clue doesant make me anti americian im just anti bulls*itters! |
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| RBTiger | Dec 21 2004, 01:33 PM Post #24 |
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You can say that Israel has a regional power projection capablity, so to speak, in the sense that it can attack any country in ME but no further. |
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| perestroika_21 | Jan 25 2005, 06:19 AM Post #25 |
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Isreal has nuclear tiped missiles capable of hitting russia and france |
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| Shaan14 | Feb 11 2005, 01:42 AM Post #26 |
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thanks john for the info |
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| Israeli Air Force Pilot | Feb 21 2005, 05:19 PM Post #27 |
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According to military and intelligence sources, those are the nuclear powers of the world (from largest to smallest): 1. United States- 10,600 2. Russia- 7,000 3. China- 400 4. France- 350 5. United Kingdom- 200 6. Israel- 150-200 (neither acknowledged nor denied) 7. India- 40-90 8. Pakistan- 30-50 9. N.Korea- admitted few days ago about having nuclear weapons but there are no estimated numbers so far. 10. Iran- soon will have the weapon unless someone stops it (America or Israel probably). Information provided by nationmaster.com |
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| Shaan14 | Mar 10 2005, 02:07 PM Post #28 |
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they did but after the cold war they disarmed and they destroyed alot of their nukes |
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| jrj1000 | Aug 21 2006, 12:30 AM Post #29 |
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people talk about israel having as much capability in a nuclear war then the uk,this is crazy israel have ground launched nukes with min range because they are made to hit targets in their region.most threats to israel come from their neighbors,so they have nukes with the ablity to hit thease countries.the uk has 4 subs capable of carrying nukes thease could be off the coast of any country if not our nukes have a range of 8,000 miles thats pretty much the capablity to hit any eastern target.we wouldnt have to fire them west of the uk cos thats north america,and we wouldnt have to fire them as east as australia.
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