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| Turlmanistan | 31 Mar 2010, 21:34 Post #1 |
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Government of 00000 A World Power – The Turlmanistan Act Authored by Turlmanistan Contributed to by the Democratic Republicans Party and Numero Capitan Presented to the Senate from the Democratic Republicans Party Introduction: This bill if ratified will define the government of 00000 A World Power. It will define election procedures, governmental positions, executive and legislative branches of government, and redefine the responsibilities of the founder. This bill will go into effect on day 1 of the next election. Purpose: This bill recognizes that we have a government in place, and is designed to transform that government into a more efficient, and democratic system than what is currently in place. This bill will increase the effectiveness of the government and will encourage veteran players of the Nationstates game to join our region. This bill is also designed to further strengthen our place in the game as the most powerful. Definitions: AWP shall refer to 00000 A World Power Founder shall refer to Neasmyrna, the founder of 00000 A World Power Delegate shall refer to WA Delegate VD shall refer to WA Vice-Delegate MoD shall refer to the Minister of Defense MoIE shall refer to the Minister of Immigration and Education MoFA shall refer to the Minister of Foreign Affairs MoPEC shall refer to the Minister of Politics and Culture MoS shall refer to the Minister of State RA shall refer to the Regional Attorney Minority Government shall be defined as an election that results in a political party that has won the most seats in the senate in comparison to any other political party but did not win the majority of all available seats. Body Part A: Founder’s Rights and Responsibilities 1. The founder may dissolve the senate at any time if requested by the delegate or by the leader of the opposition party. If the opposition party requests that the senate be dissolved, the founder must seek a vote of approval from the senate, in which the senate must return a majority vote (50% +1 or greater). Upon receiving a majority vote the founder may dissolve the senate as per his discretion. 2. The founder shall have no legislative voting powers in the senate. 3. The MoD shall be appointed by, and report to, the founder. 4. The senate is required to address the founder at all times during debate. The founder is required to maintain the order of the senate and keep all elected members of the senate on point. The founder is responsible for making sure all members vote, and the founder is required to declare the defeat or passing of any piece of legislation introduced to the senate. Part B: Election and Senate 1. Elections for all offices shall be held every 100 days 2. At the conclusion of day 100, the elected delegate must ask the founder to dissolve the senate, and the founder is required to dissolve the senate. 3. Elections take place. All election candidates run as senators. Each party shall nominate a delegate candidate. Whichever party wins the majority of all senate seats gets to have its delegate candidate declared delegate, provided the delegate candidate wins his senate seat or if an elected senator of the majority party gives up his seat for the delegate candidate. If the delegate candidate of the majority party does not win his senate seat and no member of their party will give up their seat for them, the majority party must now pick a new delegate out of the elected members of the majority party, and that person shall now be the delegate of the region. 4. There will be two representatives elected from each district. 5. A new district will be created, called the Central District. 6. There are a total of 10 electable positions 7. During an election, the leader of the region shall be the MoD. All legislative debate and voting is suspended, all bills that have not completed voting after the senate has been dissolved shall be considered defeated. Upon conclusion of the election the MoD shall return to the duties of the MoD’s office. 8. The MoD position is to be reviewed as soon as a new senate is elected, and the recommendation is to be passed on to the founder. 9. The delegate must nominate a MoFA, MoS and VD. All members of the senate must confirm those nominations before the senate can debate any other legislation put forth in the senate. 10. If nominations for the positions mentioned in provision 9 are taking longer than 20 days, the founder may step in and appoint ministers without seeking a senate vote. 11. Any political parties that didn’t win a majority vote may be nominees for any Minister position in the senate. The political party that has the second most elected seats will select an official “Leader of the Opposition.” 12. In the event of a minority government, the opposition may form a coalition government. This may not be cause for dissolving the senate within the first 30 days of the government. 13. If a member of the senate is given a minister title, they are considered Minister of their ministry as well as a Senator. 14. The senate shall consist of the 10 elected senate seats and the MoD. Part C: WA Delegate and Senate Operations The elected delegate of the region shall hold the highest office in the region. All members of the senate, and region shall consider this office to be the leader of the region. 1. The delegate will maintain job responsibilities as currently defined in the senate. 2. All judge nominations must come from only the Delegate of the region. 3. The Delegate must either approve or veto any bill passed by the senate. 4. In the event of a veto, the leader of the opposition may initiate an override, in which case all members of the senate vote to pass or defeat the legislation vetoed by the Delegate. 5. The Delegate shall not be exempt from any legal or civil prosecution. 6. The Delegate may introduce legislation and laws to the senate and may vote “aye” or “nay” on any bill. 7. The Delegate must maintain an acceptable level of activity among the inter-regional community board of the NationStates game. 8. The Delegate may be impeached from office with a unanimous senate vote. The impeachment must be supported with evidence of poor performance, treason, suspected illegal activity, or any guilty verdict handed down by the AWP Judicial Court while the delegate is active in office. The delegate will not be able to vote, or post in any thread discussing their impeachment. If they do, then they have committed a “Failure to Respect” crime chargeable in the AWP Judicial Court. If found guilty they will have there posting privileges suspended for 72 hours. 9. The Delegate may not terminate a member of the senate from his senate seat. Part D: Minister of State and Senate Operations Effective upon activation of this legislation, the positions of MoE, MoI, MoPEC (if they exist) shall be officially repealed, and there responsibilities will be replaced by those of the Minister of State. 1. The MoS shall have full voting and debating rights in the senate. 2. The MoS, and their staff, shall be responsible for educating new members to the region, and new members to the game, what AWP does and stands for, and what the RDF does, and guides players in the game of NationStates. 3. The MoS, and their staff, shall be responsible for recruiting new members to the region on to the forum. 4. The MoS shall be responsible for the operation of the economy 5. The MoS shall be responsible for overseeing the culture of AWP. 6. The MoS shall report directly to the Delegate, and is held responsible to his position by those in his district, the senate and the delegate. The Delegate may fire the MoS with or without due cause, however, they will not lose their seat in the senate. 7. The MoS shall perform the duties generally expected of the MoPEC, MoI, and the MoE. Part E: Office of the World Assembly Vice Delegate 1. The position of WA Vice-Delegate shall be defined below. a. This position shall be a senate member. i. This position shall not be a voting member of the senate. ii. This position will have posting, and lobbying rights in the senate. b. The WA Delegate of AWP shall appoint the position of WA Vice-Delegate. i. The appointment is not subject to senate approval ii. The appointment is subject to security screening by the Minister of Defense. 2. The WA Vice-Delegate shall at all times reside in the region of AWP and will always maintain lower endorsement levels than the current delegate. a. The appointed WA Vice-Delegate must never attempt to overthrow the sitting WA Delegate. Any attempt is punishable under the judicial court of AWP. b. The regional founder must never endorse the WA Vice-Delegate while the elected WA Delegate is still in office. Senators of the senate must never endorse the WA Vice-Delegate while the elected WA Delegate is still in office. c. The appointed WA Vice-Delegate is responsible for monitoring his current endorsement levels, and is instructed to leave the region for a period of no less than 24 hours and no more than 48 hours, should he accidentally be over endorsed and elected through NationStates to the office of WA Delegate. Failure to do so can result in his termination, and punishment could result in the judicial court of AWP. 3. The WA Vice-Delegate will take control of the office of WA Delegate should the WA Delegate be unable to continue to perform as WA Delegate. a. The appointed WA Vice-Delegate shall become the WA Delegate and obtain all governing powers, and rights that come with said position under the following conditions. i. The WA Delegate has an unexplained absence of no less than 3 weeks. Should this occur the WA Delegate cannot return to office. ii. The WA Delegate is under investigation for conspiring against the region of AWP through invader regions. iii. The WA Delegate has been ordered by the judicial court of AWP to take a leave of absence from office. iv. The elected WA Delegate has left the region. Should this occur, the WA Delegate cannot return to office. v. The judicial court of AWP has found the WA Delegate guilty of any crime while in office. b. The WA Vice-Delegate must return power to the elected WA Delegate should he be cleared of all criminal charges. c. Failure to return power to the WA Delegate shall result in criminal charges in the judicial court of AWP. Part F: Minister of Foreign Affairs and Senate Operations The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be considered the official representative of AWP in addition to the Delegate. Any inter-regional negotiations, treaty’s, or other agreements must involve the MoFA. 1. The MoFA shall have full senate debate and voting privileges. 2. The MoFA and their staff shall be responsible for all other regional embassies in AWP. 3. The MoFA shall be responsible for ensuring AWP has an ambassador in every friendly region that requires an AWP embassy. 4. The MoFA does not need senate approval to install an ambassador. 5. The MoFA shall report directly to the Delegate, and is held responsible to his position by those in his district, the senate and the delegate. The Delegate may fire the MoFA with or without due cause, however, they will not lose their senate seat. 6. The MoFA and his ambassadors shall be responsible for delivering the political message of AWP to the NS community. Part G: The Regional Attorney Responsibilities for this office do not change from what is already defined. However, they now report to the founder as their commanding officer. |
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| Turlmanistan | 31 Mar 2010, 21:35 Post #2 |
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I wanted to get this in before likely events may transpire, as it was one of the reasons people voted for me. THIS IS NOT UP FOR A VOTE. THIS IS NOT COMPLETED LEGISLATION. I want to make sure we have something that will work, and I think if we work together, we can come up with a change that makes sense and is fun for everyone around here. |
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| Biain the First | 31 Mar 2010, 21:42 Post #3 |
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Mhh I still think 10 elected positions is too much being we barely scrape a government together at the moment. Most of the rest I like though. |
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| Numero Capitan | 31 Mar 2010, 21:55 Post #4 |
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Thats what I said ![]() I'd prefer to keep it at four districts, but I'm down with two senators |
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| Turlmanistan | 31 Mar 2010, 22:08 Post #5 |
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and that works, but if we want to split up the Minister of State, then I doubt 8 will work. |
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| Ten Stars | 1 Apr 2010, 02:15 Post #6 |
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The delegate wouldn't be elected anymore? I don't see the purpose of that. And I don't see the need for another district. (Mostly because it'd create A TON of mapping troubles.) |
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| AmericaXLI | 1 Apr 2010, 04:10 Post #7 |
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Yeah but remeber ts eliminating the other ministers to one and the founder position frees up a lot of space. Also, I know your active in in TWU. We'd elect a president as our head if state. Right now we really don't have a wells defined head Of state |
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| Neasmyrna | 1 Apr 2010, 04:58 Post #8 |
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Ok... haha... a lil canadian bias here but looks good overall ![]() A few quick points after reading through: Maybe senate elections should be every 4 months? or three months? rather than 100 days... If we can get on a good 3-4 months cycle it will be easier to have a consistent schedule. Plus, I have been considering that a slightly longer delegate term may be beneficial. What happens if the same party wins majority again? Will the same delegate stay in power? or is that up to the discretion of the party? If we have 10 senators, the MoD and the delegate that makes 12 voting members... so we either need to add a tie breaker (founder or VD) or the delegate needs to be pulled out and made the tie breaker. If we do have 10 senators and 5 districts we'll need to have collective voting... as in--everyone votes for all senators. if each district elected its own two nations we'd only have 3-5 votes cast in each district... and with two of those being candidates it's not really democratic. I'm not sure if that was mentioned... but yeah... collective district voting. Also, I think senators should have consecutive term limits... so that we don't end up with the same ol people in there... but we should be sure we keep a good balance of old and new people in the senate. The MoS will have a LOT of work to do if they actually do their job well... so it can be officially or unofficially allowed for them to have a deputy or assistant. I don't think the MoFA needs voting rights in the senate... but that can be debated. ------------------------------------------- Ok, so in general it looks good... I like that I won't be head of stateish person so I can focus on things like recruiting and admin work. I still have general posting rights throughout the senate right? Just no vote? Fine by me... as long as we have enough active people... So, that's all for now. this looks good though and if we can enforce it it will be very good. |
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| Turlmanistan | 1 Apr 2010, 06:55 Post #9 |
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the delegate would still be elected, the leader of the party that wins the most senate seats in comparison to any other party would become the delegate. So to sum up... The delegate-hopeful, would need to win a nomination from his party, his own senate race, and his party would need to win more seats than any other party. This bill actually creates move voting, more democracy (albiet still party based), and makes it a whole lot tougher to be delegate. There definitely is a lot of Canadian influence, but this includes a lot of things that can't be done in traditional Canadian or parliamentary politics. I definitely am in support of eliminating the central district from this legislation, and reducing the total senate size to 8 elected, and 1 appointed (the MoD being appointed by the founder). And the voting for 2 senators in the district, however, that still doesn't guarantee that 2 people will get voted on for each ballot. Neas, you'd still be recognized as our founder and all, but you're not the head of state, so yes you may still post, and lobby, but no vote. The delegate is the head of state, and this bill acknowledges that, where right now we traditionally look at it that way, but we haven't actualized it. |
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| Ten Stars | 1 Apr 2010, 21:39 Post #10 |
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That region split up into 2 smaller regions... |
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| Wibblefeet | 1 Apr 2010, 21:51 Post #11 |
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Damn, I got to this bill last, and just ran out of time (at work). I'll be back to read it and comment in a few hours. |
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| Turlmanistan | 1 Apr 2010, 22:32 Post #12 |
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no, it wouldn't split the districts, it would just mean that 2 people would get elected from each district. |
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| Neanbear | 1 Apr 2010, 23:30 Post #13 |
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Ok I'm just going to say I will never support government change of this scale. Because every time I've seen it happen it just leads to another government change every time an influential person doesn't like the current government which leads to fights, people leaving, and ultimately the death of a region. |
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| Wibblefeet | 1 Apr 2010, 23:47 Post #14 |
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O-kay. First comment: I do *not* like entrenching the "party politics" mentality into the region in this way. majority and minority governments, delegate from the ruling party, blah, blah, blah. I have yet to see anything useful come from partisan politics, in NS or IRL. To the OTHER issues of the document: 1: While no one has said it, this document is ALMOST a constitution. It lacks a definition of the courts and legal system, otherwise, ti defines just about everything else such a document would. It has no more authority that any other law, which is good - but I thought I should point it out. 2. back to 4 regions, 2 senators each, is fine. 3: I would prefer to have the region elect senators, then the senators elect one from among themselves as delegate. The delegate candidates could campaign on the strength of who they intended to appoint to positions, regardless (or, *sigh* becasue of) the appointee's party. 4: to be clear - 8 to 11 voters? (7 senators, 1 senator/delegate, 1 MoD, 1 MoS, 1 MoFA; the last 3 may or may not be sitting senators) How do you intend to break ties if you end up with 8 or 10? 5: I suggest we remove all this 'dissolution of the senate" except by the express will of the Founder for lack of activity. My Reasoning: You're elected, you do the job, unless you're NOT doing the job. So be it. you want someone out otherwise? get them impeached or live with it. 6: re: C-4: what majority of other votes does the Senate need to override the delegate? 7: re: D-7: these duties should be defined here, as the legislation which defines those three positions ceases to exist. Therefore, NO duties are expected of them, if you follow my meaning. |
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| Liberty987 | 2 Apr 2010, 09:09 Post #15 |
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Wibble the reason why we have no politics, other than our "version" of politics, i.e parties are useless, is due to us having no need, they don't really help. This will increase party role in the region. I like the bill, but 4 not 5 districts. And also the MoD should have a vote, to make the number odd so easier to vote on bills. And I think there should be a law that if someone does not feature in Senate debates for a month, or vote, a bi-election must be called. Something along those lines, happens in local government and is a good way to keep the senate active. |
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| Numero Capitan | 2 Apr 2010, 10:23 Post #16 |
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This is a regular pattern and I'm kind of in agreement. I'd prefer us to break this down and stagger it somewhat. I would like to leave the Ministeries untouched for now, then the Ministers can keep their voting rights for the transition stage until we can have proper elections. |
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| Turlmanistan | 2 Apr 2010, 16:08 Post #17 |
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where exactly do you see me taking his voting rights away in this bill? of the 8 elected members under this type of legislation, you'd have 1 delegate, 1 MoS, 1 MoFA, and 5 senators, plus the MoD to complete the voting senate, plus the Vice Delegate and Founder as non voting members. |
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| Numero Capitan | 2 Apr 2010, 19:36 Post #18 |
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I mean the Ministerial reforms (merging Immi and Education) would mean that at least one of Amex or Wibble would lose their voting rights and a smoother transition might just be to have the current Ministries defined in this document and the elected officials reformed by it. We can then debate and amend changes to the Ministeries after this has been put in place. |
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| Turlmanistan | 2 Apr 2010, 20:10 Post #19 |
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oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah this couldn't just be implemented, there'd need to be a transition into something like this, and I would think it wouldn't come into effect until another election. So, I gather that people don't want to split MoE and MoI, which is fine. Lets get those job definitions into here then. The main reason I wrote this, is because most of the time our legislative process provides less than fruitful discussion at times (usually when the highly excitable people aren't in office), and stuff just hammers out. I did this to INTENTIONALLY inject drama into our political system. Politics isn't about getting along on the political stage, but it also isn't about carrying it over off the political stage. Nean you say you'll never support this level of government because it'll lead to fights and stuff. It only leads to fights if our OWN maturity level lets it, and that's something no legislation will fix. |
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| Wibblefeet | 2 Apr 2010, 21:48 Post #20 |
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Turl, given the personalities involved in this region, and the general 'drama llama' tendencies of any internet forum - Do you *REALLY* think people are going to 'leave it on the political stage' and not have it impact AWP in general? I doubt it, which is why I opposed the political parties being made such a major factor in the government. Not to mention you've not included a decent way for there to ever be an "independent" delegate, even a coalition government will have a party member as delegate. |
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| Turlmanistan | 2 Apr 2010, 22:53 Post #21 |
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that is true, but, not true as well. If an independant get's elected, in a coalition government, he could infact be made delegate, could be his terms for supporting their government. There's nothing saying he can't. At the same time, this protects us from those very same indepenents from just walking off of the street and into the head of government. At a very minimum, they would need a party nomination, and no newbie is likely to get that. I think right now most don't leave it on the political stage, but I think we can change that, and I think we SHOULD work to change that. Thinking that people are unchangable and giving up on them shouldn't be how we proceed with things around here, if it is, then there's no point to even what we have! This bill doesn't define WHAT we do, all it does is define HOW we go about doing it. |
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| Wibblefeet | 11 Apr 2010, 15:26 Post #22 |
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There have been several amendments proposed, and a couple of calls to break this into chunks and implement it over time. Turlmanistan, as the author, what's your current take on this? Do you want to call a vote on this version (which will almost certainly fail), write up a new version, or let it die until someone else takes it up? |
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| Turlmanistan | 11 Apr 2010, 16:54 Post #23 |
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There have been 0 amendments proposed, only some idea's floated. Bring it up to a vote, if it fails, it fails, then we can move on to forgetting this level of reform. Atleast I'll go down in the books of trying... I vote AYE |
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| Biain the First | 11 Apr 2010, 18:09 Post #24 |
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Wait I thought we were only discussing this (as it was only placed here in case Turl left). If we vote on the unaltered version surely that will get defeated as concerns have been raised (doesn't mean all the changes are not supported however). |
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| Numero Capitan | 11 Apr 2010, 19:05 Post #25 |
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I intend to vote Nay if this legislation isn't amended in anyway. I'd like to see some amendments looked at seriously |
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