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Biain as MoPEC
Topic Started: 26 Mar 2010, 18:09 (95 Views)
Liberty987
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I would like us to re-discuss Biain as MoPEC.

I feel that the thing that would get in his way is being VD as well as MoPEC but I can appoint anyone quite simply and there isn't much reason for it as I will only be around for a few more weeks and I have rearranged my holiday to a week later.

I think his activity is ok and if he wishes to have more activity it would be nice, but we can hear if he can handle it.

In the economic part he has good economic experience, so anything else people would like to discuss.
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Biain is Judge, VD; and the probable addition of Secretary of the Senate duties to the VD position; I have to wonder if adding MoPEC isn't a bit much.

There is also the issue that not every memeber of the Senate is not satisfied with the existence and responsibilities assigned to the MoPEC position.

While by no means my vote on the issue - given all the points noted above, my inclination would be to deny the appointment at this time. I think revisiting the MoPEC bill would potentially be more productive, but I'll leave speaking to that point up to the bill's more emphatic detractors.
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Wibble the vote didn't pass, if people really wanted it changed it would have got more than two or three people voting.

That is why I said I can appoint someone else in the position.
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I would like Biain in this position, but not in the Secretary position as well.
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Liberty, that vote was for a complete repeal of the legislation, which I didn't think was warranted. Amending it or discussing it is not unreasonable, IMO.

Apparently I've been caught again by not understanding how business is done around here. Assuming we actually call this "getting anything done".
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Yes but people would have voiced the concern, the fact the bill went through originally with most people voting at the time. The fact is I don't see anything wrong with it, most people here don't see anything wrong with it, the only person who does is turl, and I know for a fact it isn't the bill, and Numero maybe, and Numero could you tell me what you find wrong with it, if you do.
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it is the bill liberty, what will change here with that bill? Nothing will change. Sure I feel the economy is important, and should be represented here... but culture?? politics??? what do those even mean. I supported it because you lobbied really well for it.

Fact is Biain simply cannot, CANNOT, be Judge, VD, Secretary, and MoPEC. Way too many conflicts of interest. Ten its not us appointing Biain Secretary, we're rolling the duties under the responsibilities of the VD, which he currently is. At least thats the plan.

My self, Wibble, Numero, and Neas all have a problem with the original bill. That's half the active senate. Members in Ten's district also have a problem with this bill. I have a problem with the way it felt pushed through, even though I participated in that fact.

But more addressing the direct point. People here voted for you KNOWING that Biain was going to be your VD, knowing if something went wrong here, he was there to take over. You're now planning to install him (as I assume you were from the start of elections) as a minister, and just going to pick some unknown to be VD? For like a week?!? It makes no sense. If you were truly passionate about this, you'd leave it vacant and let the appointment be brought up with the new delegate after their elections.

**EDIT** since this will likely come out anyways, let me at least get the truth out before lib has a chance to make some big lie.

He told me about these plans to make this ministry when he was campaigning with pretty much all my campaign materials, to all nations in the region, and on the board, under my advice. At first I started doing it because I thought there was real change among him. Then he promised, and I mean PROMISED me this position. At first I was like, no, not interested at all, especially when he offered me MoI. I didn't think I was ready to come back, so I thought about it for a few days and he offered me MoPEC, so I said, sure, only if the senate was good with it, because some people around here would be real bitter about it (mainly AV and Ran). That was his lobbying, he promised me his support for the job, and I was suspect about it, but thought I could turn it into something.

I no longer support this because I realized the fact that 3 people in the senate aren't in aggreement with it, and I can see now it was TOTALLY fast tracked, and we shouldn't have. And I just don't think it's solid enough to be a ministry after Neas piped in.
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Which is why I am going to change my VD to Tothe so he can have this, assuming he wants it, its why I said I can change it.

And no, I didn't even know Biain was going to run, it was a tough decision I made irrationally and I have tried to apologise time and time again but you just won't listen.

Now before I have everyone attacking me, when I made the decision to Abstain I decided due to both Biain and Turl helping me in the election, both having their merits, that they would be good in the positions and I had, at this time, totally forgetting the promise to Turl, then, when Turl won the election, or I thought that was a major factor, I re-changed my vote to Biain noting Turl was a senator. By the time I remembered about my promise to Turl it was too late to change it. So thank you Turl, I am glad you have let an easily changeable vote has really got to you so much.

And remember this, I would NOT have said why you were pissed, A iit probably would have been bias, B you would have thought it bias whatever, I was hoping you would show my side of the story.


This is on hold for the new delegate.
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it was a tough decision I made irrationally and I have tried to apologise time and time again but you just won't listen.

Now before I have everyone attacking me, when I made the decision to Abstain I decided due to both Biain and Turl helping me in the election...

totally forgetting the promise to Turl...

So thank you Turl, I am glad you have let an easily changeable vote has really got to you so much...

Let the lies begin...

If you wanted to change your vote so badly, why reaffirm a bill preventing you from EVER CHANING YOUR VOTE???

You woulda never said why because you'd be caught in the lies you now are caught in...

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So can we just vote, seems simple enough.

AYE to Biain.

Sorry Turl but I feel he already has the Admin powers to help him, and he has a lot of experience in economics.


This is your first vote on candidates, so your abstain claim is a lie too.

I am not interested in having a public argument again with you, nor do I want to do it in a PM. You didn't apologize in any PM I got, nor is it anything I want from you. We all get burned, I learned my lesson with you. This is over. If someone wants to spark a vote on biain again, fine, go ahead, if you all want to work on this original bill, and make it something this region actually wants, then I think that's the right course of action to take.

Lie on someone else's dime, not the senates...

This is not up for discussion any longer, Lib's and my issues...
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Actually as you can see from posts after that you can see I changed the post that had my vote on it.

Yes I did apologise I can see it now in one of my utbox, I did send you an apology about it, look in your PMs, if you haven't got it then maybe it didn't send cause I have it in my outbox.
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This is not up for discussion any longer, Lib's and my issues...

Move on... This thread isn't and shouldn't be about me.
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Fine this is closed till the new delegate gets here.
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