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What is your religious view; General...
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Oct 13 2008, 03:20 PM
so you don't want to believe that after your life ends that in someway or another you keep living, I doubt you don't want to keep living after death

Reality doesn't change by mere wishing, desires, or wants... Though in order to be on the same page, could you define this life after death for me....
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a place were our memeries and loved ones follow us (looking like our physical form) a realm where we countinue to live in a paradice
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a place were our memeries and loved ones follow us (looking like our physical form) a realm where we countinue to live in a paradice

Do you know any physical characteristics of this place? Is this place super(above)natural?
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no I don't but I have faith that it exists, I have faith that when my heart stops and so does my life i will be in a new world still living
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Oct 13 2008, 03:20 PM
so you don't want to believe that after your life ends that in someway or another you keep living, I doubt you don't want to keep living after death

Reality doesn't change by mere wishing, desires, or wants... Though in order to be on the same page, could you define this life after death for me....

Completly agreed.

To what Numero said I would like to make it clear that I dont care about your religion or winning an arguement at all, I just want my beliefs to be known.
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Oct 13 2008, 04:34 PM
no I don't but I have faith that it exists, I have faith that when my heart stops and so does my life i will be in a new world still living

So you do agree this place is above the natural order (i.e. supernatural)? This place, or "realm" as you put it, is above the natural order. Now, you have made a extrodinary claim that there is an afterlife (and vaguely described it), now the burden of proof rests with you (can you prove it). Although, I must state, that is by faith your evidence resides in (not logic, reason, or empirical evidence).
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I have a qoute for you viper it best sums it up for me at least

This has a thought provoking message no matter how you believe. Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil."
The student became quiet before such an answer.


The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.


Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"


"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.


The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.


The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"


The professor responded, "Of course it does".


The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."


Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"


Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. "These manifestations are nothing else but evil."


To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."


The professor sat down.


The young mans name --- Albert Einstein

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Oct 13 2008, 05:47 PM
I have a qoute for you viper it best sums it up for me at least

This has a thought provoking message no matter how you believe. Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil."
The student became quiet before such an answer.


The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.


Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"


"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.


The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.


The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"


The professor responded, "Of course it does".


The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."


Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"


Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. "These manifestations are nothing else but evil."


To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."


The professor sat down.


The young mans name --- Albert Einstein

You should know, as well as I do, that flashing a name of a genius doesn't mean he spoke the truth in that one phrase or instance (for he is a man). I never stated a positive in my stance, the professor did. I merely stated a negative, the absence of belief, not a belief itself. Now, if the professor was worth his weight in gold, then he would have asked to define what god is (describe him for me would you). Also, I would like to question the historical evidence of this discussion (could you give me historical evidence that this conversation ever happened).
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I have a qoute for you viper it best sums it up for me at least

This has a thought provoking message no matter how you believe. Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil."
The student became quiet before such an answer.


The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.


Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"


"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.


The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.


The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"


The professor responded, "Of course it does".


The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."


Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"


Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. "These manifestations are nothing else but evil."


To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."


The professor sat down.


The young mans name --- Albert Einstein

Sorry for double posting but, you failed to answer the question and avoided it by saying your story....
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actual I tacked on the big E but I can define god... A higher being

A higher being in the sense above us and the natural universe?



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yes a being who is set his master plan under way

Alright, now, is this all you have to describe it?
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one more thing I'm an Atheist justwanted to argue with some one
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one more thing I'm an Atheist justwanted to argue with some one

Then you don't stand for theism, and thus ended the argument :P.
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actual I tacked on the big E but I can define god... A higher being

god =\= God

God = Allah :wink:


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I'm not a terrorist, I just felt like flying a plane into your World Trade Center(s).
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....


Also, if you want to start a poll with its own category for satanism, go right ahead, I will not stop you :wink:.
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?

What?
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?

What?

Sacrilige + atheistic.
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?

What?

Sacrilige + atheistic.

I think this newly created word would be Sacriligatheism, although it dictates an action and not a belief......The word theist and atheist doesn't dictate actions, just a belief and an absence thereof (and not an action).......
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?

What?

Sacrilige + atheistic.

I think this newly created word would be Sacriligatheism, although it dictates an action and not a belief......The word theist and atheist doesn't dictate actions, just a belief and an absence thereof (and not an action).......

Fail at context.
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way wasn't satanism on the list I feel offended

Satanism is either atheistic in nature or theistic in nature....

Sacrilthiestic?

What?

Sacrilige + atheistic.

I think this newly created word would be Sacriligatheism, although it dictates an action and not a belief......The word theist and atheist doesn't dictate actions, just a belief and an absence thereof (and not an action).......

Fail at context.

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