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District Assembly: Discusion, vote to follow
Topic Started: 9 Apr 2008, 22:59 (120 Views)
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Purpose: To establish a lower, advisory chamber to aid the role of Senator’s by increasing representation and inclusion.

Strength: Major

Effect: To make government more inclusive, active and interesting for general membership

Article 1: This legislation will hereby establish District Assembly’s. The speaker of these District Assembly’s will be the relevant Senator to that district.

Article 2: All members of each district are entitled to a single, equal vote on all legislation proposed by Senator’s to the Senate. Legislation proposed by Ministers, relevant to their personal department shall not be brought before the District Assembly’s.

Article 3: The District Assembly’s shall debate and vote on all legislation. The Senate shall control the time given for debate and voting and it will be administered by the Speaker’s of the District Assembly’s

Article 4: The information provided by the debate and voting will not be compelling on the Senators and will instead be advisory and inform the representatives of the wishes of general membership.

Article 5: The right to vote is held in the ownership of land on the official AWP Regional Map. Members can be removed from the Regional Map by a simply majority vote in the Senate and members are not required to stand trial.

Article 6: The Senate Offices shall be split into two subboards, a Northern District Senate Office and a Southern District Senate Office. The Senator’s for each district shall be made moderators of their relevant sub-board.
Article 7: Any future legislation regarding Senators must consider the implications of changes to the District Assembly’s and provide for any necessary changes.

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Wow, thats exactly what we need ... :P
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lol...

Nice... although it may add a bit too many extra steps to get things done... But it would make the members of North and South feel more involved...
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Ok, I do have a few questions that strike me right off the bat.

1. When I read article 2, I get the feeling that everyone has the same voting powers as a senator, anyone else get that understanding?

2. Negate that question because article 4 clears that up for me.

3. My first thought on this is, totally awesome, and I do like it as written. But how would you guys feel to the change, and addition of, instead of making the Senator the speaker, how about the Senator appointing a speaker? Any thoughts on that?
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Well... that's getting to be a bit too many people...

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The senator would know when the senate wanted to move it to a vote in the senate so would be able to wrap up discussion in the district assemblies easier than an appointed speaker who would be 'out of the loop' with the Senate as it were
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well, some things have come to the senate with a vote right away, whats the call on that through the district assemblies? Would we still have like a good 48 hours to get a vote done in the assemblies before voting in the senate?

And you are right Neas, it is too many people. But, its a pointless title, but a title none the less to hand out. Appointed Speaker of the Northern Assembly. Looks nice and shiney on the signiture!
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i need to read it better, keep it in discusion for a while longer
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i know im double posting but im attempting to bumb this so people know i responded and such.

I see what this is trying to do, and as part of the IPP I want the people to have more say and inclusion in goverment, but at the same point this does slow things down and bog them down greatly. Perhaps we can find a diffrent way to work with this, I myself have been trying to put forth my ideas to the IPP party before putting them up here for vote so i know the party is behind me.

Perhaps changing it so that we can have laws for a district, perhaps, I am just thinking about things for now.

As written i do not think it should be put forth to vote, i feel some modification is needed.
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i think laws for each district will bog things down more than anything and make things far more confusing. That would also mean that the District Assembly's would have significant power as opposed to being purely advisory. Further to that it would mean they would have the say in the majority of legislation, bypassing the Senate completely. Or would the senate have to vote on District law too, in which case the process becomes longer still and more tied up in legalities.

I think in comparison, what this legislation proposes can be much more efficient, active, exciting and faster than they ideas you are putting forth.

The Senate has the power to end discussion whenever it feels necessary. We can debate it in the Senate at the same time as the District Assemblies debate it. We can also debate it publicly in our districts. IT would go at the same speed as our normal debate except for a snap opinion poll vote at the end (which I would propose lasts 24 hours but I didnt add it to the legislation because I want it to be flexible for different cases and so I left it in the hands of the Senators/Speakers at the disgression of the Senate overall)

It also strikes me as slightly odd that you're trying to advocate a faster more efficient system when you often seem to say...

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As written i do not think it should be put forth to vote, i feel some modification is needed.


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Basically this more or less forces each Senator to form an advisory panel with members from his district. This is very much like the suggestion I made a few months back with a parlament. After a few days of thinking about this, I come to the same conclusion that Ranholn did, that it would slow things down and should be left up to the district via law, or whatever. I also came to the same conclusion that Numero did that something like this would increase regional activity.

So I would like to see this, but give the power solely to the senator as to how he wants to set this up. I'd also like to see this assembly have the power to form district law. And of course regional law would trump any district law.

So basically, I'd like to see this reworded to basically say that the senate authorizes the sitting Senator to form a District Assembly in his district. This district assembly will have power to create laws that apply to his district only with this sitting senator having veto powers. The senate has the power to (if so voted) shut down a district assembly due to irrisponsible behaviour or whatever. AWP Regional Law will have power over District Law.

You know, something like that. What do you guys think?
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I really dont see the point in 'district law', what would be the point in it?

If you were to amend it to that then it would still cut people out of the Regional legislation system and perhaps take away some of the use or interest in the senate which would kill it.

I dont think this will slow it down at all unless you let the district courts rule over the senate, which they wont and the legislation is designed to prevent that. I would propose we amend it so that votes only last 24 hours and then we try it out. If it doesnt work then we repeal it. I just dont feel diluting it into an uneccessary suicide note will solve anything.
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district law would create issues, create debates. It may be pointless in the whole grand scheme of things, but it will reconnect the senator with his constituants, and create a lot of discussion surrounding many things. Its something everyone can do in the region, when there is nothing to debate before the senate.
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OK, but couldnt we keep the legislation as it is and add that in. So that the district assemblys act as an advisory assembly for regional law but a legislative assembly for district law?
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Yeah, exactly. How that'd be worded... hmm... well, we could always vote this one in as written. Then add a second piece of legsilation that give the district assembly the legislative power to amend and create district law, after we vote on a third piece of legislation creating district law, and then a fourth making AWP Regional Law superior to district law.

It sounds insanely complicated, but it can be done. I'll work with it, or, we can vote on this as writte. It's been debated, and those who were going to weigh in have. Vote time!
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hey i didnt get to debate some more :D

the reason i say it should be modified Is I do want Efficent goverment, that means I would rather them be right the first time then have to go back and fix them up latter. That does not mean I want it to be rushing things as fast as possible, I do see that district laws would not realyl work like Numero said, I was just thinking and typing in a truck at the time.

It could work as a way to increase activity, but i dont think we need 4 pieces of legislation. I think instead just one, Set up a Caucus or something of that as District Assmebly, just a place for the people of the district to be able to debate laws perhaps. The senator is not tied to this, just a way to see how the district feels is a good thing. Speaker of Assembly is not needed, and I do not think every piece of legislation needs to go to it, perhaps just those that a senator feels are rather importent. A treaty or something like the WA UN thing wouldnt need to be.

Also If legislation was discussed in parties before put up would include poeple in those and strengthin the political parties in our region, something I feel is very unique and interesting about ours is that they work and have importence
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