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Legislation; new system?
Topic Started: 19 Jan 2008, 12:05 (259 Views)
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I think we need to change the system we use in regards to legislation in order to include more members into the politics of the region. I think Senators are currently delegated power by their districts when they should be representatives of their districts. I think important legislation should have a discussion phase between the general membership before it is taken to the senate.

This stage would not have the power to accept or reject legislation, but it would give a window in which members could voice their opinions on it in order for the Senators to represent them better. It would give parties a greater role as they could Lobby their senator in order to get their views put accross.

I don't know whether it would be more beneficial to consider this as a second chamber of government, where everyone who is a member of the region would get their say, and perhaps a vote could happen just as a reflection of public opinion(more an opinion poll than anything of any authority) or whether it would just be a kind of committee stage.

Discuss... ;D
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what if we make a dating service?
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Neasmyrna
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umm... what would be the point?
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attract more members
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Mar 14 2008, 10:44 AM
And another thing to consider, scrubbing nations from the map that have left for another region, or left the game entierely. If they've had no activity on here for like 3 months, their plot should be made available, or give a nation the option to invade and takeover their land as opposed to just claiming the next available spot on the map.

I've already started doing this! If you look at the sign up thread you'll see I post exactly what I've changed with each update and I've deleted about 20 nations since I started doing it!

Theres loads of options that we can look at and while I dont want to be a replica of another region and want our region to be different, I think we need to look to see what works elsewhere!

We should use the arcade and involve it a bit more, maybe reset the high scores monthly and have monthly prizes to winners or something? that would get currency moving a bit more and be a good earner perhaps for someone who doesnt find the marketplace particularly appealing.

Although I dont like there being loads of positions, people generally get more involved if they have a title of some sort rather than just being a basic member. We can share responsibilities to more people and reward them with a wage perhaps.
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I see where ranny and co. are coming from and I see where Neas and co. are coming from. So i'll just.......*listens while drinking*
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Your just like a politician! lol

I think we should have a sort of "Lower council" or "club" or some governmenty agency... have no real power... but a title... and a goal...
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That's kinda where I was going with the "it's all in the name" thing. I dunno, the debate is good, however, and I think we can pull out some good snippets from it. *walks back to bar*
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The problom with the wages are simple... WHAT DO THEY MEAN!!!

what can you buy with it... nothing
what can you do with it... nothing
what is the point of it... nothing, or proving your better cause you have more of nothing then someone elses nothithing.

Dating Services, Will be locked be me all the time, this isnt the place to become a sleasy site

What arcade?

And Creating random positions wont really help, we should just get more fun things to do
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yeah... basically, currently we have nothing to buy with our currency... nothing to save up for... If we can fix that it will become a little more useful...

definitely no dating services... It really just wouldn't work...

The arcade ranholn is at the top of the forum by the help-members-search buttons on the left...

And yes, we don't need more positions... but being "somebody" can make it fun for some people...

Ultimately, yes, this is a game... and the goal is to have fun...

Any ideas how to do that? :D
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force them to have fun, or we threaten to kill them all. You can call it crule, but hey, if I have to burn a smile into their face, I'll do it. On a more serious note, I don't know how you really can. If you take a look at the game itself, there's really nothing to it. Its a very simplistic game.

I'm just going to throw this out there, I know we're a defending region, but there seems to be a lotta invadors that are out there, and they seem very involved in their region. Lets change AWP's Regional Defence Force, to Regional Military Force, and consider doing some invasion of invader nations. I dunno what you guys think of that though...
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Invading regions tend to die a lot faster...

There is not a single invader region I know of that has lasted for a long time and is still going strong...

When you invade a big region you get stuck there for months

It really stinks... then people start to hate you...

And it's just plain wrong...

If you have ever been kicked out of your own region... you would know how much it stinks...

Invading just is not sustainable...

We are defenders because back in April of last year we had a rogue delegate who kicked out 20 of our most active nations... at that time I didn't know how the founder controls worked...

I was so pissed off... It really stunk... It showed me what it was like to be enjoying your region and have it all torn apart...

I spent 15 hours thinking of how to save the region then I realized I could access regional controls... and the problem was solved...

Defending is more healthy for the region... and it's goo to know we're the "good guys"

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well, ok, but what if we took on a role of more offensive defenders, like trying to wipe out invader regions? we'd still be the good guys, I guess we'd be there for a long time, but still...
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pretty much everyone who's got involved in the RDF has stayed in the region and enjoyed it, at least for a considerable amount of time. I don't think we need to change our approach with it to be honest.

The problem with invaders is that they take too long organising invasions and then get stuck there and only do it rarely as a result so noone retains interest. Out of all the invader regions, I'd say only TLK have real capabilities and even they should organise more missions and be more active.

The reason they're better than the rest is because their non-military forums provide loads of things for people to get involved and that keeps people interested.

So you can see that its not the military side of it that determines activity necessarily. Its good for getting people involved and having fun, this region is testament to that but you need to work on the non-military side to be really successful!
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yes,

Our military is currently a very strong point of the region... as only one member of the senate is currently not a member...

But it wold be nice to have a group of people that role-play...

a group of people that just spam a lot... (we already have this I guess... :D)

a group of people that like to make laws and proposals for things...

a group of people that just like to do a little bit of everything...

Our military and spamming groups are currently our strong points...

Our government could be better organized, our role-playing could be a lot more active, and we could have more regional competitions etc. to help people get to know each other...

Any ideas on those topics?
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ok, I think you're asking the wrong group of people, because you're asking those that are involved in pretty much everything, and do enjoy it, we gotta start asking the newbies what they want to get outta this region, and or start asking people why they left.
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^ good point...

But it helps to think... why are you here?

what makes you stay?

what would make you want to come online more?

we can get a start on that...
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as the only senator not part of the RDF Ill say why, it bores me, the forced military end of this game isnt interesting. But my fellow IPP senator is one of the newest of the active group
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ok well to be honest (and this goes against what ranholn said earlier, so he prolly won't like it :P) the rdf got me to join awp. less than 24 hours into the game I joined awp and it was because of the rdf. this is what'll frustrate ranholn, it was campaigning and winning the senate race that has kept me here, the title.

maybe reducing the time in office will cause more elections for senators. then limiting to 2 consecutive terms then being forced to sit one out before running again is an answer? I am sure now that I am a senator and have been one that I'll stick around even if I lose a re-election. others might think the same. so does that kinda help?
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what you mean you dont want me to become a Carrer Senator :D

Actually we should talk about this privatly in the IPP
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yes,

Our military is currently a very strong point of the region... as only one member of the senate is currently not a member...

But it wold be nice to have a group of people that role-play...

a group of people that just spam a lot... (we already have this I guess... :D)

a group of people that like to make laws and proposals for things...

a group of people that just like to do a little bit of everything...

Our military and spamming groups are currently our strong points...

Our government could be better organized, our role-playing could be a lot more active, and we could have more regional competitions etc. to help people get to know each other...

Any ideas on those topics?

-I agree that the military is one of our best areas (outside of spamming) and it is one of the things that got me further interested in the region.

-I have some ideas for the RP section and i'll present them as I get the chance. With Kolinar's leaving that area really dried up and I think that if we can bring some life back into it then this section will really help bring back some activity levels.

-We are very covered in the spamming area but we need to encourage more people to spam with each other. Maybe by cleaning up dead or repetitive threads and making some more very unique and interesting ones we can draw further interest.

-When it comes down to people making laws and proposals I agree with Ranholn that there is no need for a special group to make them up, however, when a new person comes into the region they don't know right off the bat that they have the power to make proposals to their senators and see their work maybe come to fruition. So if not a body then we need to at least be sure to advertise and remind the people that everyone, no matter their status or time in the region, has the ability to hand in proposals.

-As for a group of people that can do a little bit of everything, most of our top ten posters make up this group but I believe that this will grow on its own if we get the other areas built up first. As people start to become more and more comfortable in one area they'll most likely want to try something new and the cycle will go on. We'll have people that are specialists and feel most at home in one area or another and that's completely fine but on the other hand we'll have people who have multiple areas of interest and they're the ones who will fill the ranks of the jack of all trades group.

A lot of what i've typed could be feircely debated (Ranholn) but I remember when I first came to the region and it took me a few weeks to really discover what kind of influence and how much opportunity I had before me. It's these first few weeks that are really important to grab people and point them in the right direction, once they discover much they have before them and how fun it can all be they'll get hooked.
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