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Legislation; new system?
Topic Started: 19 Jan 2008, 12:05 (260 Views)
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I think we need to change the system we use in regards to legislation in order to include more members into the politics of the region. I think Senators are currently delegated power by their districts when they should be representatives of their districts. I think important legislation should have a discussion phase between the general membership before it is taken to the senate.

This stage would not have the power to accept or reject legislation, but it would give a window in which members could voice their opinions on it in order for the Senators to represent them better. It would give parties a greater role as they could Lobby their senator in order to get their views put accross.

I don't know whether it would be more beneficial to consider this as a second chamber of government, where everyone who is a member of the region would get their say, and perhaps a vote could happen just as a reflection of public opinion(more an opinion poll than anything of any authority) or whether it would just be a kind of committee stage.

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Could open up a parlement, devide up the map into districts, and for every plot you have on the map, you get one vote. The parlement can't then bring anything in to law or whatever, but that gives everyone who has a plot on the map a voice, and then we as a parlement can vote on what issues we put before the senate.

Either way you shift, you're going to move into some type of parlamentary system, otherwise nations are going to get left out.

Don't even have to call it parlement, a legislative assembly would make for better sense, as it is a district representative, then you bring the district results forward, and that would put issues on the plate for the senate.

thats just one idea, we could go to a congress too, but then there's gotta be a president to veto stuff, and I think having an election for president of the whole region is a stupid idea.
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I like Turl's suggestion, we can have an AWP Parliament.
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Personally I preffer Numero's idea of the parliment just being an advisory body for people to voice their opinions and lobby rather than a place for people to vote on the actual proposals, simply because this would lengthen the legislation process massively.
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Well technically it would be advisory, all it would do is serve as a collective body to decide which issues we would put forth to the senate. Just because it goes through the parliment wouldn't mean that it would be put into law, it would just mean that these are some of the things memebers of the region would like discussed, and what their current feel is on the topic.

That all said, that won't nessisarily mean that the senate would only do what the Parliment, or Legislative assembly would put fourth, but that body could form an opinion of what everyone is thinking. It might actually help in the life of someone in the senate, who is really on the edge of what to do.

Like I said ealier, we could form a congress, but I dunno how we'd go about that. A Parliment, or Legistlative Assembly seems like something easier to setup, because then everyone on the map will get a vote.



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Just a side question, anything we decide on, it's gotta go through the senate doesn't it? If it does, then lets get on our senators to debate this issue, and see what they come up with.
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Lets get this idea off the ground. An advisory parliament where people can discuss and debate legislation and suggest amendments.
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could make things interesting by making the legislation have a premier, that can vote in the senate. By having a Premier, you can now have both residents of the north and south run, and you get an additional voter in the senate. Not required, but it is a thought.
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Hmmm, I don't know. I think having an advisory body made up of the people is a great idea but I don't know about having a premier.
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Well, just stealing ideas from other regions...

10KI has an "Assembly of Nations"

They have a "leader" who is mod of that area of the forum and directs conversation etc. but has no real power.

We could also call it the "House" or the "House of Commons"

It's important to keep in mind they have no real power... But they should be in charge of writing proposals and getting them to the senators.

Speaking of senators... we should probably make a 3rd senator position soon...
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We need a west and east senator
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We do not need a west or an east or a premier. Right now we dont have that many people who have come to the forum, get more people coming to the forum who are the ones who vote really. Want more senators get more people
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Yes, good point...

It would be nice to have roughly 10 activish forum goers for each senator...

Right now we only have like 7...

But we should get a lower body that is active in proposing legislation...
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We do not need a west or an east or a premier. Right now we dont have that many people who have come to the forum, get more people coming to the forum who are the ones who vote really. Want more senators get more people

This is one of the most important steps in keeping new members active. Bringing politics back to the region is important and this will give everyone a say in regional affairs and increase the output levels of the Senate.

I have several priorities for getting activity into the region by looking at how other regions are successful and this is right up there, I think we should should get it set up asap.
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Right now any person can make a proposal and give it to there senator to propose just no one does. And adding more positions just makes more positions it wont bring more people in, brining people in does that.

Right now we are rather political compared to most regions ive seen, we have political parties that actually function, unlike most regions with it and have actual elections that matter besides delegate and have mroe debate. I think some people are thinking a senate with 50 people in it means your politically active region, it dosnt, it just means that being a senator is just like being in a club, no one cares and it dosnt matter for jack
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Well it would matter because nothing I've put forward or suggested would take away any power from anyone in the Senate, it would complement it and increase participation at the same time without overcomplicating things (decisions would be made in the senate in the same manner as they currently are)
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So what would this advisory council do, just be able to look at everything the senate does, or do what they can already do and just put forward proposals to the senators. So what exactly are you proposing
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The thing is if people feel like they're part of some sort of advisory party they may feel more inclined to get involved. It's all in the name, sounds stupid but we may actually get results. Nothing's set in stone if it doesn't work we can discontinue it.
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if everyone is to be in it why make a seperate group just remind peopole they can do it perhaps make a forum. What do you want this group to do persay anyways, somehting Ive yet to have explained :D

Think of me as devils advocit, those in the first senate when we had alot of buisness apps I voted against those I felt added nothing or where poorly thought out, while the rest voted just to get the numbers up saying they would be picky latter. I dont want to be picky latter, we need to think hard does it improve the region or we just doing it for numbers
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I'll be honest 7 people voting in the north is a pretty low turnout. Realistically doing something like this would be nice to have, but Ranholn is right, in our current state, it would be pointless. We have a lot of memebers in this region that are in the UN, why don't we go to each of them, with PM's and ask them to join the forum. The RMB isn't getting a whole lot of attention. But, if we messaged all of them, encouraging them to join to forum so they can get a spot on the map and so fourth, that would be a better use of our efforts at this time.

And another thing to consider, scrubbing nations from the map that have left for another region, or left the game entierely. If they've had no activity on here for like 3 months, their plot should be made available, or give a nation the option to invade and takeover their land as opposed to just claiming the next available spot on the map.
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The national map dosnt do invading, we just purge and replace. That is the map dictated by your un status, size and all that.

RP map you invade.. and Un status and stuff dosnt matter
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The national map dosnt do invading, we just purge and replace. That is the map dictated by your un status, size and all that.

RP map you invade.. and Un status and stuff dosnt matter
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essentially thats what I meant, like instead of marking the territory available, mark it abandoned, or whatever. As long as they get punted from the regional map.
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I'll be honest 7 people voting in the north is a pretty low turnout.


What about five in the south? That is REALLY lame.

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We have a lot of memebers in this region that are in the UN, why don't we go to each of them, with PM's and ask them to join the forum.


Yes we do need to do something about this but sending messages has been tried without success. The reason why the people won't come on the forum is because of REAL LIFE *gasp*. We have to "convince" them that it is worth it to "give up" some things in real life I guess you could say.

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And another thing to consider, scrubbing nations from the map that have left for another region, or left the game entirely. If they've had no activity on here for like 3 months, their plot should be made available, or give a nation the option to invade and takeover their land as opposed to just claiming the next available spot on the map.


I 100% agree..
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Tis hard, we cant have too many jobs, or everybody will control everybody, no point in that. After reading scraps of this, I have come to a conclusion, we need LESS people in the senate.
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No lol... We have just about the perfect number...

For now...

We do need more people to have something to do though...

They don't have to be in charge... But there has to be something here that makes them want to come online every day...

Whether it is:

money
positions
control/power
friendships
games
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Whatever it is we should be able to give it to them...
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