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Topic Started: Jun 2 2011, 02:55:40 PM (664 Views)
ohippy
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Paul is now on nights so rang me this morning so I was a lot later walking the dogs than normal. I'm on my way back from the walk when a guy pulls over and informs me that my jack russell is his dog. Now Nakita found the dog over a year ago at the beach, he was picked up by the ranger and held for a week and wasn't claimed so was handed to K9 where we then paid to get him. He wasn't claimed in all that time nor was he microchipped. The guy does live just down the road and claimed he put posters up etc but nothing I ever saw and I was looking. Titch definitely knew him but put his tail between his legs when he saw him but then he does that to us when he knows he's been naughty or even if he doesn't, he just is a very submissive dog. There is no doubting that Titch is his dog, everything he said added up even down to the fact that he had a collar mark but no collar. He said his daughter was devastated and asked if she could see the dog. What on earth do I do ?? If it was Paul he'd give the dog back. Who does the dog legally belong to ?
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Titch legally belongs to you ,sorry but this man is way out of order .Everybody knows where the ranger & K9 are & that is where all lost dogs are taken .
He obviously didnt try very hard to find him & if he is unhappy he can take it up with the ranger & K9 who will soon set him straight.
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No way Paul would give him back, he knows how much you paid for him. :whistle:

The dog is yours, had you not bought him from the pound he would have been destroyed and he would have nobody to hassle about it. Perhaps you could make a call to the ranger or K9 and ask them how you should handle the situation as they should know where you stand legally. I wouldn't let his daughter see the dog as that won't achieve anything other than upset everyone.
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Jun 2 2011, 04:40:27 PM
No way Paul would give him back, he knows how much you paid for him. :whistle:
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I have rung K9 and they said that legally the dog was mine .. now I am glad that we went through the proper channels instead of just advertising him as found and then keeping him. This guy couldn't have looked hard at all .. surely the first thing you do is ring the rangers. But then why stop now to tell me ?
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So tonight he turns up at my door with his little girl, Titch is all excited to see them and now I feel so bad :cry:
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don't feel bad mate, he's the one who should be feeling crap for not looking hard enough last year
how would you all feel now if you handed him over - don't do it (please) xx
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I'm going to talk to Paul tomorrow but I think the final decision should be Nakita's as it's her dog and she knows the right thing is to give him back but doesn't want to which I completely understand.
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Just a couple of things to think about .If you give Titch back who will legally own him?
How can you make sure this man changes the microchip & registers him with the Shire??
So if Titch bit somebody how would you know you were not liable?or if he escaped & was injured how do you know the vet wouldnt bill you?
I know it is far fetched but so is somebody having the cheek & not feel embarrassed to say it is their dog!
He wasnt registered or microchipped before ,wasnt even watched properly .
If you do feel sorry for them & give them Titch then make sure you have your butt covered because they sound like a complete nightmare :no:
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ohippy
Jun 2 2011, 09:15:25 PM
I'm going to talk to Paul tomorrow but I think the final decision should be Nakita's as it's her dog and she knows the right thing is to give him back but doesn't want to which I completely understand.
Well if he wants the dog back then he pays you everything you've shelled out over the past year. The dog is yours. You did everything right, the ranger and K9 (pound?) did their job and can back you up. He was totally out of order bringing his daughter round and personally I wouldn't have let them in as it's not fair on the daughter or any of you. I'm sorry but no way do you just hand the dog over.
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I do need to make it clear that the guy has not asked for the dog back. He was clear that he understood that the dog is mine and even called him by the name we've given him. It's me who feels bad. If it was my dog who'd got lost and then we saw him out I'd want him back. I know that it wouldn't happen as all my animals are chipped and Titch wasn't chipped when we found him but there is still this feeling in the pit of my stomach that says it's wrong to keep him. He really was so excited to see them both too. But it has been good in a way, he's Nakita's dog and she does neglect him and now she's all over him .. wonder how long that will last ?!!
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OMG tell him immediately that its not fair on you, him or his daughter that they see Titch. Be firm and definitely dont give them the dog back, they dont sound like good pet owners. And if his daughter missed her dog that much, why has he not got her another one :she:

Idiots like that make me so angry.

Sorry Ohippy, but you are being way too soft and it wont end nicely for you. Stop all contact now :yes:
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Have to say I agree with Mel, you are being too soft on this one H. If you think you are starting to feel sorry for him again just think on what the dogs fate would have been if you hadn't taken him? Or imagine how you'd feel if he ended up run over because he had got out again.

Maybe that'll be it all over now, his daughter has seen the dog, they know it's ok and he'll go and buy her another. If he keeps showing up at your house, tell him poilitely that you are not comfortable with it and would like him to stop, if he doesn't then call the cops.

Handing the dog over is NOT the right thing to do, legally or morally.
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Oh that is a tough situation, but legally and morally the dog is now yours. A responsible owner would have had the dog chipped in the first place!!!!

It's tough on the kid who lost her dog, but he's your baby now.

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OK so his daughter might have felt sad and missed the dog but I'm sure she's got over it by now. What could possibly be achieved by now making your own daughter miserable and sad as well? One sad daughter or two sad daughters, I'd opt for the former.
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I was half expecting him to show up today but he didn't. Titch, on the other hand, resumed the behaviour he had when we first got him by waiting all excited by the front door at school finish time. Even now he's sat here all sad. Far out why did this have to happen to me now !
Maybe we won't see them again
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I am sorry but his daughter is his problem. His dog went missing and he did not make valid lengths to look for it, had he done so, he would have paid the fine and got his dog back - but he didnt.

You however, went through the legal channels and adopted the dog through the legal process, you have invested time, money and emotion in this animal and I am sure if your dog went missing you would move heaven and earth to get the ranger to get him back. A responsible and loving dog owner does not shirk that responsibility.

If he comes back again, politely ask him not to - the dog is now yours, it is microchipped and legally logged in your name and you are not prepared to part with him. Then on a polite note, you could say 'I could help you search for a similar dog in the pound, they cost $$$$$$ - but SO worth rescuing - you will see him take on a different stance when dollars are mentioned.

He had no right to bring his child to your house, that was cruel and his problem if his kid is upset.

I would also call the pound and the ranger and perhaps ask them to have a word with him. Do not give in, this is his problem not yours.

But please have a word with the ranger, because what concerns me is if this guy will try and take the dog from your garden when you are not there, that is why the emphasise must be on the fact that you know the law, the dog is legally in your name and should he go missing, you will know exactly where to look.

I am so sorry this has happened to you, I dont know how I would feel if my dog Rocky's owner suddenly wanted him back.
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I would also call the pound and the ranger and perhaps ask them to have a word with him. Do not give in, this is his problem not yours.

But please have a word with the ranger, because what concerns me is if this guy will try and take the dog from your garden when you are not there, that is why the emphasise must be on the fact that you know the law, the dog is legally in your name and should he go missing, you will know exactly where to look.

I am so sorry this has happened to you, I dont know how I would feel if my dog Rocky's owner suddenly wanted him back.
not sure what happened to my original reply :dunno:

anywhoo's, i second what sam says - ring the pound and the ranger and get them to sort him out; i also think what sam said about titch being taken is spot on too ... the bloke obviously has no shame.


id love a little dog, but my heart was broken as a child when my dog spot was run over ... cant bear the thought of losing another one. my cats were 23 and 22 when they died ... i still look at the door when i hear it click open thinking one will come through it. i feel for the little girl, but grief and not getting your own way is a life lesson we all have to gothrough at some point.

its your dog now, not his :dog:
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Well I haven't heard anything from them since and there's no chance of him ever being taken as you can only access our garden from the house. I really don't think the guy would do that anyway he never asked for him back at all

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Have you heard any more from him H? Maybe he's just happy now he knows the dog is ok.

Sue, I never had a dog as a child because my Mum wouldn't let us, she kept telling us it would be too upsetting if it died. She was the one who was scared of that not us. My Dad would have loved a dog, he always had them when he was young but my Mum just said no. Even now I feel I missed out by not having one, my kids love our dog, sure they take him for granted and ignore him most of the time but he is there for them when they decide they want to play with him. I still think my Mum was just plain mean not to let us have the experience of growing up with a dog. She thinks more of my dog now than she does of my kids, if she was stuck here during a fire with the dog and the kids, she'd save the dog and Orlanda, tell Matt and Dom to sort themselves out and would probably take 3 days to notice that Indie wasn't there.

Its a year this weekend since Taz our Labrador died, I found one who looks identical to him on the pound website last night, 10 months old, but John refuses to have another one. To be fair he is allergic to dogs and gets really hacked off woth the hair and poo....... but I do miss my lab!

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I haven't Lynn and I wish I had. I completely forgot to ask him about Titches fits. I can't take him to the vets so I'm hoping he'll know what causes them and how to deal with them cos I'm clueless. Fingers crossed he contacts us again soon
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Has Titch had fits for long ?My Dads dog has epilepsy & quite often has fits .
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My friends dog has epilepsy and is on daily medications from the vet, and the fits are now under control.
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I don't know much really. His first couple were when I was working over Christmas since then he's had two that I know about. So about 4 in a year. Poor mite. I hate them as I feel so helpless and he looks in so much pain
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ohippy
Jun 9 2011, 09:45:48 PM
I don't know much really. His first couple were when I was working over Christmas since then he's had two that I know about. So about 4 in a year. Poor mite. I hate them as I feel so helpless and he looks in so much pain
If it is Epilepsy, put your mind at ease - dogs are presumably the same as people in this respect - they are totally unaware of anything. They're not in pain, they're not suffering, it's almost as though the brain shuts down everything other than the bit having a short circuit to prevent pain, damage etc. The only people suffering are those watching. I can't help you deal with it but I can assure you of that.
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Thanks MP, we've had a bit of a refund on our credit card so I can get the dogs vaccinated now. How can they tell if it's epilepsy ? Is it easy enough ?
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Poor Titch . :no:
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