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Electricity Feed in tariffs on Solar Power
Topic Started: Jan 22 2011, 09:59:24 AM (1,783 Views)
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Those who are looking at getting solar panels, and taking account of the electricity buy back schemes, should consider a very recent change.

New South Wales, who used to pay 60 cents per kWh, but who then reduced it to 20 cents per kWh, are now very close to saying NO MORE..

Very close to saying: "The scheme is ending, finished"

This was the information in October 2010
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The New South Wales Solar Bonus Scheme, which commenced on 1 January 2010, will continue to operate until 31 December 2016.
An overall Scheme capacity limit of 300 MW applies.
Customers who connect to the grid after the cap has been reached will not be eligible for tariff payments under the Scheme.
Some retailers may also offer additional payments on top of the Solar Bonus Scheme tariff of 20 cents per kilowatt hour.
The Scheme will be reviewed in 2012 and again after 2016.


2011 NewsFlash: as at 31 December 2010 the total capacity of applications to connect to the network is 326 MW. Of this, 163 MW has been connected.
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Not all these applications may proceed to physical connections as the applications will need to be reviewed for eligibility. Some customers may also choose not to participate in the Scheme, or to install a smaller capacity system than they originally applied for.


Basically there is now no guarantee of getting the feed in tariffs rebates in NSW, for new customers.

This COULD also happen in other states.
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Is that the amount they pay you when you give them energy you've collected ? Or is it the amount you pay for the energy you use of theirs ?
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That's what the Energy Company pay you for your excess energy.


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ABCDiamond
Jan 22 2011, 12:28:58 PM


That must pretty well ruin one of the main selling points for the solar companies.
Dismantles their payback period .
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So I would generate extra electricity and feed it back into the grid for free for the energy company to sell it on for a high price to someone else ?????

In WA we're just had a price rise on the amount paid on our excess energy.
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ohippy
Jan 22 2011, 04:16:10 PM
So I would generate extra electricity and feed it back into the grid for free for the energy company to sell it on for a high price to someone else ?????

If they were to stop paying the extra, yes. But I am sure you would still get a minimum equal to what you are paying per kWh. At least I would hope you would.
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In WA we're just had a price rise on the amount paid on our excess energy.

Who are you with ?
My figures show that Origin Energy pay 40 cents and Synergy pay 47 cents

My apologies to anyone in Tasmania, who only get the same rate that they are charged for electricity they use. ie: 22.648 cents with Aurora.

I've been calculating my costs today, with a view to signing up, and checking all rates.

I currently use about 1.5kWh on average during the day.
A 1.5kW system will cost me $1,700.
It appears I will NOT gain from the tariff buy back, as I will use all that I create, but it should save me from having to pay for about 5kwh per day, so a saving of $350 per year, or say $300 (some cloudy days). That will increase each year with price increases. This equals 5 years to pay it back.

My calculations for another house, where no-one is home during the day gives a 4 year pay back period.
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We're with synergy (no choice) @ 47cents a unit, total of $66.74 credit on our last bill (16 Sep to 16 Nov). But then we got the system when it was free and paid $1k for an invertor upgrade
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What about SA? We've just signed the dotted line to get our whole house supplied with Solar. We live in a 4 bedroom house, no swimming pool or spa, have our own solar hot water system, no kids and still had to pay $750 a quarter!
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ohippy
Jan 23 2011, 03:03:18 PM
We're with synergy (no choice) @ 47cents a unit, total of $66.74 credit on our last bill (16 Sep to 16 Nov). But then we got the system when it was free and paid $1k for an invertor upgrade
Do you mean the bill total was $66.74 payable to you, (what I think you mean), or $66.74 off your electric cost. ?
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Jan 23 2011, 04:58:44 PM
What about SA? We've just signed the dotted line to get our whole house supplied with Solar. We live in a 4 bedroom house, no swimming pool or spa, have our own solar hot water system, no kids and still had to pay $750 a quarter!
Do you have heating or cooling on for a lot of the time.

We have 4 bedrooms and study, pool heating, pool filter, heat pump hot water, and use an average of 2,710 kWh per quarter of electricity. This has averaged $471.65 pq for the last 5 bills.

However, we rarely need to use heating or cooling, and I assume that would make some difference.

Feed in Tariffs
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South Australia

If you are a ‘small electricity customer’ in South Australia and have installed a solar photovoltaic (PV) electricity system on your premises, you are able to receive a premium price for any excess electricity you return to the electricity grid. SA Solar Feed-In Scheme

Current (Jan 2011) South Australian Electricity Feed In Tariff rates per supplier:

44.0 cents State Government Minimum
54.0 cents State Government Minimum (per Aug 2010 review proposal)
50.0 cents Origin Energy (I assume this is based on the stated minimum + 6 cents)

http://www.abcdiamond.com/australia/electricity-feed-in-tariffs/

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Jan 23 2011, 06:37:17 PM
ohippy
Jan 23 2011, 03:03:18 PM
We're with synergy (no choice) @ 47cents a unit, total of $66.74 credit on our last bill (16 Sep to 16 Nov). But then we got the system when it was free and paid $1k for an invertor upgrade
Do you mean the bill total was $66.74 payable to you, (what I think you mean), or $66.74 off your electric cost. ?
$66.74 off the electric cost, our bill was $270 for two months
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I forgot to add to my post that we don't actually have any heating, only ducted evap cooling. The heating came from wheeling around portable electric/gas radiators! Eeeek
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:she: just had our bill for Nov to Jan ... loads of sun, loads of energy produced by the solar ... yet only $40 credit and a much higher bill :she:
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I need to do something to reduce our electricity. Our latest bill was $624 for 3 months :omg:
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:omg: I thought $270 for two months was bad enough
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Jan 26 2011, 10:22:08 AM
I need to do something to reduce our electricity. Our latest bill was $624 for 3 months :omg:
You are dead right... you DO need to do something !

What appliances do you have on ?

I feel that our situation is bad with what we use, but yours is diabolical...

Have you borrowed one of those electric power checking meters from the library, to see where your main power consumption is ?
However, they can't check most Air Con units, or anything else that is directly wired in.
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ABCDiamond
Jan 26 2011, 06:30:30 PM
Melibeam
Jan 26 2011, 10:22:08 AM
I need to do something to reduce our electricity. Our latest bill was $624 for 3 months :omg:
You are dead right... you DO need to do something !

What appliances do you have on ?

I feel that our situation is bad with what we use, but yours is diabolical...

Have you borrowed one of those electric power checking meters from the library, to see where your main power consumption is ?
However, they can't check most Air Con units, or anything else that is directly wired in.
Ours was $750 for the quarter!
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I am very curious to see what everyones actually daily power use is, I am checking mine twice daily at the moment to see exactly how solar panels could help me.

I am currently using 1.13kWh (average per hour) Peak tariff and 0.43 Off peak, during daylight hours.
and
0.88 Peak tariff and 0.25 off peak, during the night.


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ABCDiamond
Jan 26 2011, 08:01:08 PM



Our average daily usage and cost over the last 4 years:

2007 = 41.1kWh - $5.22

2008 = 38.6kWh - $5.51

2009 = 38.7kWh - $6.09

2010 = 37.5 Wh - $7.02

In summary daily consumption reduced by 8.75% but daily cost increased by 34.5%. :brickwall:


2010 split:

T11 = 32.6

T31 = 4.9
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My Average daily:

2003 20.58 kWh $2.34
2004 27.25 kWh $3.18
2005 28.38 kWh $3.41
2006 31.46 kWh $3.93
2007 34.34 kWh $4.54
2008 36.74 kWh $5.33
2009 25.84 kWh $4.13
2010 30.09 kWh $5.28

2010 Split:
73.76% Peak (22kWh)
26.24% Off Peak (8kWh) Hot Water, Solar Pool Pump and Pool Filter pump)

My changes from 2007 to 2010:
daily consumption reduced by 12.37% and daily cost increased by 16.23%
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I dont know why ours is so high. We changed to another electricity provider on the advice of Power Watch so are now with Integral who are supposed to be the cheapest in our area.

I work from home so that runs the costs up, but I can claim that back when I do my tax return. I claim 27c for ever hour worked, and have to keep a log of my working hours.

We use tumble dryer a lot, which I know is bad and lazy, but I like my clothes and towels tumble dried not hard and faded out in the sun. Plus we have had so much rain I have had no choice but to use dryer. Pool pump also is running 8 hours per day now. Hardly every use air con, well except when I am working as office is like an oven. Fans going most of the day too.

Plus the tv, xbox, playstation, laptops, and fans in their bedrooms which the kids constantly leave on, despite me nagging and going round switching off the wall sockets constantly.

Hot water is electric too, but that is on the cheap night tariff so not costing a huge amount.

The other thing is I use the oven a lot as do heaps of baking, so that is on for a couple of hours most days too.

We did have one of those energy checks done, the guy said dryer and air con units were using the most power. The device we have is not working but dont really need it as know what uses the most power, its just hard to get it down.

I was speaking to my next door neigbour and her bill was over $700 and she does not even have air con :omg:
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Jan 27 2011, 01:17:35 PM
I dont know why ours is so high. We changed to another electricity provider on the advice of Power Watch so are now with Integral who are supposed to be the cheapest in our area.

I work from home so that runs the costs up, but I can claim that back when I do my tax return. I claim 27c for ever hour worked, and have to keep a log of my working hours.

We use tumble dryer a lot, which I know is bad and lazy, but I like my clothes and towels tumble dried not hard and faded out in the sun. Plus we have had so much rain I have had no choice but to use dryer. Pool pump also is running 8 hours per day now. Hardly every use air con, well except when I am working as office is like an oven. Fans going most of the day too.

Plus the tv, xbox, playstation, laptops, and fans in their bedrooms which the kids constantly leave on, despite me nagging and going round switching off the wall sockets constantly.

Hot water is electric too, but that is on the cheap night tariff so not costing a huge amount.

The other thing is I use the oven a lot as do heaps of baking, so that is on for a couple of hours most days too.

We did have one of those energy checks done, the guy said dryer and air con units were using the most power. The device we have is not working but dont really need it as know what uses the most power, its just hard to get it down.

I was speaking to my next door neigbour and her bill was over $700 and she does not even have air con :omg:
Heating water is one of the big guzzlers.
Like us you have the hot water tank on the cheaper overnight tariff.

But what does your washing machine do?
Does it just have a cold feed or could you take hot direct from the tank?
That is a potential saver.

Only thing to watch is that you still have enough hot water for showers and other uses.


And instead of using the tumble dryer all the time can you not dry some stuff under a fan?

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Washing machine is on cold water only and I nearly always do 30 degree wash, but I guess I could change the water pipe to the hot water tap and see what happens. Dishwasher is often on twice a day too. I think part of the problem is being at home all the time, always boiling the kettle etc, where as if I was out of the house at work I would not be using anything during the day.

I could dry clothes with a fan I suppose seeing as fans almost always on, never really thought about that either before, so thanks for the tip.
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Jan 27 2011, 09:09:56 PM
Washing machine is on cold water only and I nearly always do 30 degree wash, but I guess I could change the water pipe to the hot water tap and see what happens. Dishwasher is often on twice a day too. I think part of the problem is being at home all the time, always boiling the kettle etc, where as if I was out of the house at work I would not be using anything during the day.

I could dry clothes with a fan I suppose seeing as fans almost always on, never really thought about that either before, so thanks for the tip.
The WM thing won't really work for you Mel because if you only have one inlet it will take hot water for rinsing cycles too.


I dry clothes on a horse under a fan as it's much, much cheaper than the 'ol tumble dryer.
Doesn't go as hard as sun drying either.
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I rarely use our tumble drier, even in the winter. When it's raining I put stuff on the clothes horse in the garage with the back garage door open and the front door lifted about a foot so a breeze can blow through. Otherwise everything goes out on the line then comes in early the next morning while it is still soft.
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I used to put the washing on a clothes horse under cover on the patio, but Mabel has eaten and shredded too many things so cant even do that. The garage is an option though if I can make space :lol:
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I wait til Terry goes to work then put the airer where his car was. So many times I get moaned at cos it's still there when he comes home :giggle:
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Bix and ABC = Geekasaurus!?! How the hell do you know all of that!

I use the tumble dryer once a week. Just for all the socks and jock that i cbb to hang on the line.
MEL?! Why on earth would your dishwasher be on twice a day? There are 5 or us and ours goes on everyother day....
Also, could you not put the airer inside the pool fence so you can tease Mabes with it :giggle:

The pool pump is a KILLER! dont miss that at all...

Our last bills were $550 and after so much yelling by me the next one was $455....this is for 2 months
Edited by Hevs, Jan 28 2011, 09:50:50 PM.
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Jan 28 2011, 09:50:01 PM
Bix and ABC = Geekasaurus!?! How the hell do you know all of that!

I use the tumble dryer once a week. Just for all the socks and jock that i cbb to hang on the line.
MEL?! Why on earth would your dishwasher be on twice a day? There are 5 or us and ours goes on everyother day....
Also, could you not put the airer inside the pool fence so you can tease Mabes with it :giggle:

The pool pump is a KILLER! dont miss that at all...

Our last bills were $550 and after so much yelling by me the next one was $455....this is for 2 months
It is actually quite easy, it gives the info on the electric bills.... :whistle:

However, some of my info is based on reading my meter twice a day..... (A two week plan while I check some things out)
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Jan 28 2011, 10:07:54 PM

It is actually quite easy, it gives the info on the electric bills.... :whistle:
But you have to read it of course. :whistle:


I put all this type of stuff on spreadsheets.
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