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im a celebrity ...; the stir fry rat saga ..
Topic Started: Dec 7 2009, 10:00:47 AM (281 Views)
Tiredwithtwins
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twas in the news yesterday that the winner - chef Gino D'Acampo - and one of the other contestants, Stuart Manning, are to face animal cruelty charges in australia because they caught and cooked a rat that was running around camp. They were facing meagre rice and beans for thier meal, so used what was around them - a rat - to boost thier food intake. apparently the rat was a tame one that was let loose, to add a bit of excitement to the proceedings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8397691.stm

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/british-celebrities-on-animal-cruelty-charge-for-eating-rat/story-e6frfmyi-1225807498242

animal rights activists are calling for them to be put in jail on cruelty charges, especially if its shown they beheaded it while it was still alive ... although gino and stuart both claim they had killed it before heheading it.

animal rights are also condeming the program for its 'bushtucker trials', claiming innocent insects are suffering and being slaughtered inhumanely in the name of entertainment.


Now to be honest, I think eating cockroaches, grubs, worms etc is a bit off ... although all are said to be based on real bushtucker ... and if the rats are tame, is it really that ethical to be letting them loose in rainforest environment??
Is it really worth the outpouring of grief thats going on?? Young men are dying in a war the other side of the world from us all; innocent kids are being abused, neglected and murdered, and there is a daily rolling of eyes and tutting at how its someone elses fault and someone elses problem ... yet a few critters get munched in the name of entertainment and there is a national outcry on both sides of the atlantic. They deserved a public dressing down, pehaps a fine and some time spent working with abused animals, but 3 years in prison!??!?

should the animal rights people get a bit of perspective? or do you agree with them?
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Hevs
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Its all about perspective, however if it was a tame rat it is a bit off. But as for poor insects being hurt for challenges? Peeerlease! :crazy:
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Keith&Lol
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Hope they don't find out I bashed a cocky last night with hubbys shoe, not much of it left to eat tho.
I think they need to get a grip, they are classed as vermin.
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If it had been a Chicken, or a Lamb, I suppose that would have been OK ?
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It was a tame rat........ WTF??? did they know it was a tame rat or did they presume they were eating vermin?

Now don;t get me wrong I don't like people deliberatley mistreating animals but it's all gone crazy..... torturing insects for entertainment, now you find me a little boy who hasn't ripped the wings or legs off an insect just to see what happened, plus the bush tucker man was making insect eating entertainment progs donkeys ago.

I had the kids at the circus last week and we were told that many councils in Perth wont let them perform because they have animals..... miniture ponies, dogs and goats (all of which seemed very happy), they also told us that animal rights people are trying to ban all sorts of things even police horses, sniffer dogs and guide dogs....... I'm sorry but have you ever seen a miserable working dog??

Yes animal rights are important, but in my book humans come first.
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Keith&Lol
Dec 7 2009, 12:46:25 PM
Hope they don't find out I bashed a cocky last night with hubbys shoe, not much of it left to eat tho.
I think they need to get a grip, they are classed as vermin.
you should have eaten it :whistle:
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gonna have to agree to disagree here. Fraid I am a massive advocator of animal rights and think it's vile that people don't think twice about the pain, agony and death of an animal because it's just 'an animal'. The reason that animal activists make such a fuss is because there are so few who believe in this but, I can guarantee, if you ever saw an animal 'factory' of any kind .. you'd think twice. So many people don't see the agony and death animals are put through so they can buy their favourite shampoo. In the UK it is different as the laws are so much stricter but here, anything goes. As for three years .. that may be the maximum term the charge carries but people are rarely given jail time for animal cruelty of any kind.
Now I know here that you say it's only insects or a rat .. but where does it stop ? At what level is it ok ? I find it hard to 'get' why people think eating dogs and cats is bad yet pigs, cows and lambs are ok ? How do you decide what animal is ok to eat or not ?
Best I stop now as this is one of my soap box subjects
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forgot to say .. that doesn't mean that I value animal life above people. I feel very strongly about the homeless and abused kids in the same way. I just value all life and don't believe I have any right to decide who or what lives or dies.
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ohippy
Dec 8 2009, 11:08:20 AM
forgot to say .. that doesn't mean that I value animal life above people. I feel very strongly about the homeless and abused kids in the same way. I just value all life and don't believe I have any right to decide who or what lives or dies.
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ohippy
Dec 8 2009, 11:03:55 AM
gonna have to agree to disagree here. Fraid I am a massive advocator of animal rights and think it's vile that people don't think twice about the pain, agony and death of an animal because it's just 'an animal'. The reason that animal activists make such a fuss is because there are so few who believe in this but, I can guarantee, if you ever saw an animal 'factory' of any kind .. you'd think twice. So many people don't see the agony and death animals are put through so they can buy their favourite shampoo. In the UK it is different as the laws are so much stricter but here, anything goes. As for three years .. that may be the maximum term the charge carries but people are rarely given jail time for animal cruelty of any kind.
Now I know here that you say it's only insects or a rat .. but where does it stop ? At what level is it ok ? I find it hard to 'get' why people think eating dogs and cats is bad yet pigs, cows and lambs are ok ? How do you decide what animal is ok to eat or not ?
Best I stop now as this is one of my soap box subjects
This interests me and honestly I'm not being argumentative but do you honestly never kill a bug? Swat a fly that then drops down dead? What do you do about the bugs here presumably being in the house? Do you catch everything and put it back outside?

The thing about what animals people eat is a historical national and religious thing. Jews can't eat pork because they consider it dirty, the French are happy to eat horse but we don't, dog is a national food in asia but other countries see Westerners eating beef and consider that wrong.

I could never be a veggie or god forbid a vegan, I like my meat too much. I consider the human species to be the master race at the current time and as such we have a right to eat those animals 'beneath' us. If there were a 'higher' species then I could accept them eating us if that makes sense. However as the latter sentence isn't going to happen any time soon, I can say that and can't be called on it :whistle:

I am fussy about where I get my meat from and honestly don't think that the majority of butchers cause pain and agony to the animals, obviously there are places that don't take care but the meat carries on any last minute agony, muscles and tendons etc become unbearably tough, for the best meat the animal needs to be relaxed and for the job to be done in as humane a way as possible. Not being naive, I know shit happens and happens a lot but there is also a lot of humanity involved as well.

As I said, not being argumentative, and you and I will never agree on this obviously but I'm interested my initial query :yes:
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ohippy
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I do catch the majority of bugs and release them outside .. the only animals I kill are red backs as I see them as a threat to me and my family and would kill anything or anyone who did that. There are incidental ones I kill that I don't mean to and, stupid as it may sound to other people, it does make me feel really sad when that happens.

I appreciate that other people choose to eat meat - my hubby and youngest daughter do. However we have rules such as I don't buy or cook meat and it has to be free range and humanely killed. Even that I dislike but I can't impose my beliefs on others. However what I am very very against is cruelty that need not exist such as live exports, pet shops selling kittens and puppies, animal testing etc. If it's not necessary then it shouldn't happen.

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ohippy
Dec 8 2009, 06:46:11 PM
. However what I am very very against is cruelty that need not exist such as live exports, pet shops selling kittens and puppies, animal testing etc. If it's not necessary then it shouldn't happen.

With you on that lot. All uninvited critters of four legs or more meet their maker after they've met me. If they want to live, they should stay away - my house, my rules :wink:
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I am not a fan of these programmes at all. Not really happy that they would intentionally kill an animal to eat unless they were really lost and this is not the case. Sends a bad message.



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thanks everyone for giving your thoughts ... its an emotive subject alright, and one that i doubt will ever have every one singing the same tune!

apparently the program is heavily 'policed' by the aussie rspca, and they apparently are on set most of the time to advise and guide on whats acceptable and what isnt ... wonder why they didint stop them? they were talking about it for a while before they actually caught it and killed it.
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They were starving so I don't mind them killing the rat for food. If they had been killing it for fun thats differant.
The only thing that I thought was disgusting was Jimmy Whites bare belly. :yes:
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Tiredwithtwins
Dec 9 2009, 08:10:50 AM
wonder why they didint stop them? they were talking about it for a while before they actually caught it and killed it.



Because I'd imagine it would have been good for ratings. I've never actually ever seen this program (that I can remember) but I'd imagine a celebrity chef catching a rat and making a meal out of it would have been classed as good for raking in the viewers. If they want to charge someone then charge the makers of the program, they provided the rat and knew of the plans of the culprits before they did it and (I presume) decided not to advise them that the rat was tame or to stop them.
Edited by Lynnj, Dec 9 2009, 04:19:54 PM.
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