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Cuts to immigration?
Topic Started: Oct 27 2008, 03:10:12 PM (85 Views)
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I heard about the chance of immigration cuts on the radio today. Saw the article below online. Last 2 paragraphs were interesting.


Australia may cut immigration amid financial crisis

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SYDNEY (AFP) — Australia may cut the flow of immigrants into the nation if unemployment rises in the face of the global financial crisis, a cabinet minister said Sunday.

Immigration Minister Chris Evans said the government would wait until the release in November of mid-year financial data before deciding on whether to reduce numbers.

"Clearly if the demand for labour comes off you'd adjust the migration programme accordingly," he told Nine Network television.

"We can turn the taps off if we need to.

"But there are still industries with strong demand for labour and we'll just have to talk to industry and make a judgment about what the appropriate level will be once we've got a bit better idea of what's happening in the economy ."

Around 190,300 immigrants are projected to arrive in Australia in 2008/09, with skilled workers accounting for most places as the country battles chronic labour shortages in some sectors.

Evans said the current programme was designed when Australia's forecast was for economic growth, high inflation and a skills crisis.

"If those parameters are changing, the government will take a sober look at those issues and make a decision when we have got proper information," he said.

Evans said any decision to cut the intake would be a complex process given the contributions new arrivals made to the economy.

"We know that they consume, they buy property, and they're a net positive to the budget," he said.

"And a lot of the skills that are coming in at the moment are in the mining sector, which has allowed us to increase our exports."

Evans said the global financial crisis had already boosted interest in immigration to Australia from countries experiencing an economic downturn such as Britain and New Zealand.

"I think the downturn in Great Britain over the last year or two has actually seen a renewed interest from Great Britain in people looking to migrate either temporarily or permanently," he said.
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On the face of it you`d think it would make sense - however if the different industries still have that skill shortage how will they they be able to keep up output without the people trained to do it?? I read an interesting article in the West Australian on Saturday, saying that the unions were calling for those on temp work visa`s to be given their marching orders first if job cuts were required, so in effect you could have a skilled foreign worker kicked out possibly leaving the unskilled Aussie worker who can`t do the job anyway.
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gobbyjock
Oct 27 2008, 03:57:50 PM
I read an interesting article in the West Australian on Saturday, saying that the unions were calling for those on temp work visa`s to be given their marching orders first if job cuts were required, so in effect you could have a skilled foreign worker kicked out possibly leaving the unskilled Aussie worker who can`t do the job anyway.
Hopefully the Unions don't have the power that they used to have, and would not be able to do that.

The thing is that Australia is still a growing country, and as long as more businesses open up, to cater for the larger population, due to immigration, then the status quo is maintained.

However, there is the need to keep building more houses, to stop those prices increasing too much, due to increased demand for property. Currently this is being covered by rentals, and everyone has noticed the rental increases.

This in turn will lead to property investors buying again. House prices Down, and Rental income Up = the right conditions to invest.


I don't think that anyone in government has actually started a comment about reducing immigration, so it doesn't seem to be a specific policy in any way yet.

What happens when a persons 4 year visa expires of course is different.
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If a company brings in a worker from overseas on a 457 visa do they have to prove that they couldn't get anyone locally who could do the job?
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Lynnj
Oct 27 2008, 06:06:29 PM
If a company brings in a worker from overseas on a 457 visa do they have to prove that they couldn't get anyone locally who could do the job?
I had always thought so Lyn, I think it`s just the unions jumping up and down making a lot of noise without thinking the whole thing through (making themselves look as if they are doing something).
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I think the main word of the initial statement was 'may' It's all supposition and who knows what will happen in the next few years in the global economic climate. Whilst people will always discuss the possibilities, the trouble I see is when it's discussed too much and becomes, via chinese whispers, 'fact' and people (not on here) start panicing. It'll be interesting to see how it does pan out in the future.
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gobbyjock
Oct 27 2008, 03:57:50 PM
I read an interesting article in the West Australian on Saturday, saying that the unions were calling for those on temp work visa`s to be given their marching orders first if job cuts were required.
I can understand the gut feeling that goes into that way of reacting.
Similar seen all over the world when recession brings a focus on migrant workers "taking the local's jobs".

In recent times West Germans complaining about the influx of East Germans.
The current situation in UK with Eastern European arrivals.

Logic about the inability of the current workforce to do the jobs or indeed not wanting to do them does not seem to compute.

If the unions were worth their salt and really wanted to aide their members they would be questioning why their members are incapable of filling the opportunities and trying to do something about it.

The very culture of Australian work practices are not condusive to that though. Indeed the casual workforce ethic is not condusive to solving skilled labour shortage. The only thought an Australian has if you mention "career" is of a vehicle going off the road.

A fundamental change is required and the only way Government has found to do that is to import other cultures. Maybe they hope it will dilute the ingrained apathy and some of the new ways will rub off on true Aussies. Personally I don't think it's working.

Excuse the generalisations.


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Lynnj
Oct 27 2008, 06:06:29 PM
If a company brings in a worker from overseas on a 457 visa do they have to prove that they couldn't get anyone locally who could do the job?
Not just the 457 but for a number of the sponsored type visas.

Theoretically you are right Lynn.
In practice I have yet to see that happen though.
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moneypen20
Oct 27 2008, 08:06:33 PM
I think the main word of the initial statement was 'may' It's all supposition and who knows what will happen in the next few years in the global economic climate. Whilst people will always discuss the possibilities, the trouble I see is when it's discussed too much and becomes, via chinese whispers, 'fact' and people (not on here) start panicing. It'll be interesting to see how it does pan out in the future.
That peesses me off too Pen.

It's easy to talk an event into happening.
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I think employers of people on 457 already have to do that, dont they? they have to show that the job cant be filled by a local person, and hteres something lese i cant think of that i noticed when reading the info on temp visas ...


If changes to the visa program are to be made i can guarantee when they will happen = approx 1 week before we become eliigible to apply :(
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Tiredwithtwins
Oct 28 2008, 06:33:09 PM
I think employers of people on 457 already have to do that, dont they? they have to show that the job cant be filled by a local person, and hteres something lese i cant think of that i noticed when reading the info on temp visas ...
Probably show that they have training programs in place for Australians.
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